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Tobias Annages
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-20 16:03:02 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=5057&tid=5

Renyn - SDII Director Mentas Blaque and members of his senior staff held a news conference today, revealing that singer-songwriter Jolee Hanvyner and wife Federation marine officer Ting Hanvyner were arrested for treason and feeding classified military intelligence to the Caldari Navy.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-03-20 16:11:29 UTC
I admire conviction and the willingness to stand for your beliefs.

I despise treachery and traitors, however.

Unfortunately, I have nothing else to add. This is disheartening.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-20 16:26:56 UTC
Horrible music AND treason? Do we still have that spontaneous combustion serum laying around?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2013-03-20 16:27:33 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Horrible music AND treason? Do we still have that spontaneous combustion serum laying around?


No. But someone has a spray that melts clothing. It also makes people steal tables.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2013-03-20 16:33:52 UTC
I look forwards to seeing the evidence. Unless this is one of those closed-court, hood-over-head muffled gunshot affairs?

If I were a Federation capsuleer, I'd be moving my loved ones out unless they subscribe to Blaque-ist ultra-nationalism. They might be putting down pots and pans with a frequency and intensity that suggests clandestine communications.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer
Knoot Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-20 16:46:38 UTC
One has to wonder how singer-songwriters might come to be in the posession of "classified military intelligence" and why they didn't use a more convenient way of transmitting this information to CalNav.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-03-20 16:51:16 UTC
Knoot Enderas wrote:
One has to wonder how singer-songwriters might come to be in the posession of "classified military intelligence" and why they didn't use a more convenient way of transmitting this information to CalNav.


Both of those inquiries are answered rather succinctly in the article.

"[...] Jolee Hanvyner and wife [...] Ting Hanvyner, a marine cyberwarfare officer."

To clarify, cyberwarfare mostly deals with intelligence cloaking and interception, decryption and communications shielding/hacking. A cyberwarfare officer would have access to quite a lot of intelligence information from both sides of the field.

As for convenience? Convenience is often easily tracked.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-03-20 17:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Knoot Enderas wrote:
One has to wonder how singer-songwriters might come to be in the posession of "classified military intelligence" and why they didn't use a more convenient way of transmitting this information to CalNav.


Both of those inquiries are answered rather succinctly in the article.

"[...] Jolee Hanvyner and wife [...] Ting Hanvyner, a marine cyberwarfare officer."

To clarify, cyberwarfare mostly deals with intelligence cloaking and interception, decryption and communications shielding/hacking. A cyberwarfare officer would have access to quite a lot of intelligence information from both sides of the field.

As for convenience? Convenience is often easily tracked.


If a single officer can compromise Federation intelligence practices, in a method NOH would probably consider too tacky for day-time holovision, I expect a freighter load of brass off to court-martial for criminal negligence once this court case gets under way.

Wake up, your internal security forces have license to trump up charges and enact summary executions, as evidenced recently. Expect them to start plucking your heartstrings when your sons and daughters don't sign up for service, with a few possession charges or 'disloyal intent' legislation. We're to a man and woman as easy to harm, as our most vulnerable loved one is exposed to planetary authorities.

With the lowering quality of Federation troops, especially with the Talon debaucle, I'd gape at the anguish the potential treatment anyone's family, especially women and children, might receive at the hands of the next generation of enforcers. All for the sake of catalysing a system that cannot sustain the pace of conflict it has forced upon itself.

The appearance of disloyalty, subjective as it is, may now be grounds for your life being publicly ended in the Federation. For a capsuleer, it is your planet-bound or station bound family that will suffer, lest you take pains to ensure their safety in international or neutral territory.

As I have said, I look forwards to hearing the evidence of these accusations; be it evidence of a system so crippled by incompetence that every two-bit hacktivist in the four empires will get to their terminals with glee, or evidence that these charges are trumped up, high profile means of attacking the moderate Federation citizen by proxy.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-03-20 17:14:53 UTC
Aelisha wrote:

If a single officer can compromise Federation intelligence practices, in a method NOH would probably consider too tacky for day-time holovision, I expect a freighter load of brass off to court-martial for criminal negligence once this court case gets under way.


Single officers compromise intelligence daily, no matter what militia or military you're referring to. Most just don't compromise it to their enemies. As to whether or not her commanding officers will be subject to court-martial, I can't say. What I can say is this scenario isn't entirely unbelievable to anyone that knows the Federation.

Aelisha wrote:
Wake up, your internal security forces have license to trump up charges and enact summary executions, as evidenced recently. Expect them to start plucking your heartstrings when your sons and daughters don't sign up for service, with a few possession charges or 'disloyal intent' legislation. We're to a man and woman as easy to harm, as our most vulnerable loved one is exposed to planetary authorities.


I appreciate your continued assertions that I am delusional and blind to the possible reality of the situation. I choose to reserve my judgment regarding the Federation's internal security to information not received from an open enemy of the Federation and its entire way of life, mademoiselle. Even if I have my suspicions on the legitimacy of the charges, we have systems and courts in place to ascertain the truth of the situation. If you're now going to suggest to me that the entire Federation system, including all three branches, are working in tandem to keep the entire Federation populace completely oblivious to what its nefarious and true purposes are, then I'm going to suggest that you have an extremely low opinion of the Gallente and your judgment regarding our ability to govern ourselves is impaired.

Aelisha wrote:
With the lowering quality of Federation troops, especially with the Talon debaucle, I'd gape at the anguish the potential treatment anyone's family, especially women and children, might receive at the hands of the next generation of enforcers. All for the sake of catalysing a system that cannot sustain the pace of conflict it has forced upon itself.


Of course, because we're the ones that fired the first shots. We're the ones that invaded another nation's sovereign space by capitalizing on a communications blackout. We're the ones setting up military blockades and stand-offs over entire planetary populations. We're definitely the ones escalating the pace of this conflict and forcing it upon ourselves.

If you're going to debate, try and use legitimate facts. Do we have a hand in the current conflict? Absolutely. However, we're not the ones setting the pace by any stretch of the measure.

I, too, look forward to the evidence presented either way.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-03-20 18:20:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
I bear no ill will and mean no insult to you, Mr Raithe, but the intensity and immediacy of the events transpiring has led to a somewhat less conciliatory, less measured tone to my arguments as of this day.

I stand by all I have said, but apologise for any offence that you may feel has been lumped upon you - it is not your intelligence or reasoning I question, merely the fallibility of presenting my communication both to and around you in a manner that can be presented to a diverse audience.

It may be considered that I am a staunch national of the State, but such is the way of State life. Nationalism is not regulated and social conscience not nearly as enforced in the Federation, so I would argue that the same forces that add vigour to Caldari society may not be so compatible with your way of life. It is because of reasonable men such as your self that I even bother to speak on the matter; I am confident the State will prevail with or without me, and so my words are merely to alert the best of you, the Doves, the Moderates and the peacemakers, that this is a road from which your way of life will not re-emerge.

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Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#11 - 2013-03-20 20:52:08 UTC
She's a superstar, she probably squeezed the intelligence during dalliances with ranking Federal officers.

I don't really feel fear of this 'secret police' getting the average Jean. The common citizen of the Federation isn't capable of such grandiouse treason.
Knoot Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-20 22:24:19 UTC
I'm still not convinced that this isn't just some cheap Gallente ploy to sell more talentless Jolee Hanvyner music to an otherwise unwilling cluster. The story remains implausible for reasons already pointed out by others.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-03-20 22:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Knoot Enderas wrote:
One has to wonder how singer-songwriters might come to be in the posession of "classified military intelligence" and why they didn't use a more convenient way of transmitting this information to CalNav.


When they played his songs backwards, did they also discover subversive anti-government lyrics: "Praise Heth, Praise him!"?

I wonder what threats were needed to make these two unfortunates confess to this balderdash.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#14 - 2013-03-21 06:27:26 UTC
Mentas Blaque wrote:
Jolee Hanvyner Mentas Blaque is just another in a long line of traitors who feel that the rules do not apply to them.


FTFY, and someday your own people will too.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Lorcan Orphrey
Abthane Laboratories
#15 - 2013-03-21 08:08:23 UTC
I wonder how many times per day less daft methods of steganography go unnoticed.