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Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-03-20 23:51:01 UTC
Ah the use of ground troops. Even more wasteful than using orbital strikes, not to mention less effective. You can survive an infantry assault by hiding, running away and various other means, for them to pop up and shoot you in the back later. They're crafty like that. You're also going to take higher casualties among your search units since FIBUA is always fun. Then you've got to factor in wastage due to psychological trauma that your men will incur due to wasting civs. PTSD is a favourite. Then after all this you have to add all the deployment costs, wear and tear on machinery and so on and so forth.
Really it's cheaper to just bomb them from orbit.
All this assumes a hostile fleet doesn't rock up to ruin your day.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-03-21 00:31:56 UTC
Orbital bombardment and ground troops...so loud and messy. If people want to start talking about effective methods of genocide I have to put forth biological warfare. Caldari Prime is already effectively under a blockade that is severely limiting travel to and from the surface. Maintain the blockade and quarantine, deliver a biological or nanotechnological pathogen into the biosphere, and wait. Really, if we're talking about efficiency and risks and costs, I would think a designer virus or nanites designed to target and destroy specific bits of biomatter vital to human life would be a much more effective solution.

That or just go the complete other direction and stop fighting over one ball of rock among the trillions of balls of rock in the galaxy, even if it happens to be a favorite ball of rock.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-03-21 00:38:46 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:

That or just go the complete other direction and stop fighting over one ball of rock among the trillions of balls of rock in the galaxy, even if it happens to be a favorite ball of rock.


A peaceful solution!?
Are you mad?
That would be common sense, in intragalactic politics no less. Why, that would set a precedent of some kind, no we can't possibly do that!

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#64 - 2013-03-21 02:45:12 UTC
Might I ask why we are still feeding the entitlement-issues of this blooder?

She baits with typical "look at me I'm so edgy and bad" and people bite.

I was hoping people got the message back when Valate did the same.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-03-21 03:17:53 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Might I ask why we are still feeding the entitlement-issues of this blooder?

She baits with typical "look at me I'm so edgy and bad" and people bite.

I was hoping people got the message back when Valate did the same.


Don't compare me to her.

What I'm suggesting is that the current "operation" is cracking at the seams. Time for a change in tactics or time to go home.

As I assume many of them would frown upon up and leaving so soon after all the work to get there, the State might benefit from studying other cultures with a history of successful planetary occupation.

Specifically methodology and control mechanisms for hostile indigenous populations.

For thousands of years the Amarr have used Religion, physical coercion, intimidation, etc to unparalleled success.

The State has our long history to research and perhaps choose a method they find appropriate.



Sabik now, Sabik forever
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#66 - 2013-03-21 06:23:46 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
I can tell you a story, a story about two nations, very diffrent in ideology and politics... one of the nation built their sociaty on disciplin and codes, while the other a great industrial nation and Democracy... To cut things short, the nation built on discplin and sacrifice for their people and emperor decided to launch a sneak attack on the Democracys navy... in that attack alot of civilians and a big chunk of the Democracys naval power were oblitereated... but the sheer maner in how this was made, led to that day lived on as the day of infamacy... it dragged the Democracy into a war, they were blind set to win, turning their industry into one thing, a military jugger naut... and it dident stop untill it nuked the home countrys nation and demanded unconditional surrender


The Amarrian version of that fable is much more concise:

A small rat once snuck up behind a slaver hound, jumped up and bit it's tail off. The rat screamed "Victory!" and then the hound turned around and one bite later there was nothing left of the rat but it's tail.


Here's another story: Once upon a time a great big fat dog decided to get into a fight with a small, scrappy dog. Though the big fat dog was twice the other dog's size, the sheer tenacity of the little scrappy dog dragged the fight out a lot longer than he was comfortable with. What's worse was that the big fat dog forgot that the small scrappy dog was friends with an even bigger dog, who was more than happy to come in and clobber the big fat dog while he was already hurting.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#67 - 2013-03-21 07:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pryce
While the Queen of Cutlery is keen at inciting a war, why not just glass the planet from orbit? It's the only way to be sure. Besides, it worked the first time the Gallente did it, did it not, hmm?

First time out it also sprung the birth of a State ruled by eight megacoporations, a once strong entity that's now devolved into some sort of a tragicomic tyranny. Who knows what would be in store this time in the wheel of fortune for the Caldari, shall we spin the wheel and see where it stops?

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#68 - 2013-03-21 21:25:11 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Salutations my dear Caldari State capsuleers, and the rest of you unfortunate baseliners tuning-in.

So!

Much ado lately over your occupation. Rumors are flying, ordinance is changing hands, chaos is the order of the day. The men at the club have been talking you see, and it seems a lack of control is quickly developing.

The thing with deterrents... is that you actually have to be willing to use them. You people need to stop with the hands-off approach and begin acting like the real occupying force you should be. If you want to maintain control that is.

The millions of Gallente you will displace aren't going to just give things up, stubborn little things; they need be relocated, intimidated into submission, or you know. *draws finger across neck slowly*

So how about this. They knock down one of you shiny towers, you level a city.

They kill one Caldari, you kill one thousand Gallente.

You people really need to go old-school reclaiming to produce the desired results here. You know I'm right.

Anyway, just some friendly advice. They already think you heartless monsters, why bother trying to win a PR war? Better to have you victory en total using tried-and-true methods and then write whatever you like for the history books. Your progeny will thank you for making the hard choices.









Dear Silas, I love your reasoning. The State has assured me most reports of our "lack of control" are pure propaganda, however. There is apparently something going on on Caldari Prime, but its just Galnet rubbish. The trash is being taken out.