Jita Park Speakers Corner

Without high sec we will die.

"Do high-sec carebears really think they have any importance to nul-sec?"

Oh look it's a troll

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Loltroll.

Your thread title is inflammatory and is a challenge, not an invitation to open discourse.

Troll is bad troll.

Here I thought veteran null-secs considered themselves some of the smartest, most experienced and most talented players, players who enjoy the risks and the challenges.

They certainly TALK that way and seem to consider high-sec pve to be like "hello kitty online."

They say they don't want an ezmode/hello kitty game and they certainly don't want it in high-sec.

So why are the null-secs crying that they want ganking in high-sec to be EASIER?

Null-sec tired of shooting the same hundred people in the face day after day and now they want some nice, relaxing, ezmode, hello kitty ganking so it is EASIER for them to have fun at other peoples expense?

We want "Hellokitty-sec" CCP...plx?

It's CCP's business if they want to alienate the casual and non-hardcore players but since EVE advertises having all this space...why can't we all get along?

Plenty of room to shoot and gank already and high-sec is already not perfectly safe. Plenty of folks like it the way it is and it seems silly to say it will drive out players when it is SO easy to find a fight if you want one.

Move on. Nothing to see here.

Nope. It's a lifestyle not an insult...;)

Agreed. People should drive out of high-sec on their own.

I am not sure how making high-sec more like null-sec might constitute a proper war though. Last I checked there were plenty of people and alliances to fight in null-sec. Plenty there for a proper war, yes?

High-sec is already not perfectly safe...making it less safe is merely kowtowing to the pvpers who want more people to mess with and is NOT in the best interest of the people who don't want to be as involved in pvp.

It's a game, not real life. In a game we have certain conveniences that promote game play that do not reflect reasonable expectations of real life: In real life people would be incarcerated, others perma-killed by people that go after you, your clones and your DNA. You could only mine something once. Yes there would be a $#!t ton of bots because in a hi-tech society automated mining would be used...CONCORD probably wouldn't go out of their way to not podkill you. "Oops it's salvage now have a nice day" is a game convenience. Good luck telling the cops the stuff you stopped to steal out of that car wreck they are still trying to get the driver out of is "salvage."...etc. etc.

Really, it's a game. No one needs more ways to grief or gank.

Mhmm.

It is only infamitory because I am challenging a scared trope of the dedicated high-sec dweller. IE: that they are somehow critical and important to game play in the rest of EVE. It was a simple statement requesting information. That you found it inflammatory just goes to show how tightly held such beliefs are, even when based on completely false assumptions.



No, we just don't want high-sec to be a safe haven away from the game of EVE. A place where you can make isk without consequence, an activity which completely unbalances the economic realities of the game, to the detriment of high-sec dwellers I might add! The reason that so many activities in EVE are unprofitable is due to this dynamic. You can bot to your hearts content (If you know how to program one well) mining trit and no one will even notice you among the masses in the systems of high-sec. You point to bots in nul for the simple reason that they are NOTICEABLE in nul. You can spot them as there aren't that many people in system, and you can watch and report them. Nul-sec alliances have mechanisms and tactics to defeat bots (Bot hunting in nul is a popular past time), but those tactics don't work in High-sec against a bot in a newbie corp. This has driven down prices to the point where the margins on most items mean that unless you are a very high sp character with full researched T2 BPOs and billions in investment, you can't make any profit on the base game mechanic in EVE: The Market.



This is what I mean by a complete lack of connection with the realities of nul sec. You really think there are only a few hundred people out there? You have to be kidding. Goons and TEST Comprise some TEN THOUSAND players alone. Plenty more than a "Few hundred". Hell, we put 12,000 into 6VDT for an entire week. What we want is what we signed up for, a SANDBOX. That means you react to actions by PLAYERS because you have no choice. That is the meaning of Sandbox in terms of game play. That is the meaning of "Player Generated Content". It isn't having fun at other's expense (Which is a sentiment that i understand, but again.. the rules of high-sec that you insist on, give us no other choice) it is ensuring that we are all playing on a level playing field, playing with the same rules. High-sec dwellers have a incredible advantage over any other players in EVE due to the fact that the low risk and high reward game play of that area is completely out of proportion to the rest of the game. If you want safety, fine. You should only be able to run level 1 and 2 missions and mine low grade ores. If you want to more profits.. take more risk. The more risk, the more profit. That is what we what, not to "Have fun at other people's expense" as you put it. That is a strawman argument that avoids the real question.



It isn't the casual and non-hardcore player that drives new subscriptions to EVE. I have yet to see a BBC News or New York Times article on how some lvl 4 mission runner cleared 15 missions in a single night. I DO see plenty of stories about what happens between the big alliances in nul. I see plenty of stories of epic scams and dastardly deeds. I don't see anything coming out of high-sec that promotes the game of EVE in any way with the exceptions of EVE Uni and RvB. Some of our Dreddit videos have over 100,000 hits! Dreddit itself adds between 250 and 500 players a month. Of those, about 50% to 60% are brand new subs. We INCREASE revenues for CCP rather than just maintain the status quo, something that the carebears in highsec simply haven't shown themselves capable of. You can't even get people to sign up for corps because you don't generally have anything compelling to offer that can't be acquired in a newbie corp, other than being abused by a bunch of neckbeards who stare at rocks all day on voice coms.

EVE is not ment to be a place where "Everyone get's along". It is meant to be a place of strife and struggle. Getting ganked by asshats all the time? Band together and fight back! If you can't fight, negotiate. If you want system police, start your own force and get cracking! It is a place where the game play is INTERACTIVE with other players. Casual, hardcore, whatever, that is the game you signed up for, why are you complaining when it actually happens?



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Did I read that right? Just making sure that I read that right...

Never even mentioned that I misunderstood it. Just simply asked if I read that right...

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Wow, it appears that Goons are allow massive **** posters in their alliance now. That is a rather BIG change!



NEVER stop posting. Perhaps you should :getout:



Perhaps you should link it and I will, rather than assume that I have read some post by some person who I have never heard of. You should read what I wrote and respond to that, rather than what you mistakenly read into what I wrote. I never said nulsec was completely insular to high-sec (Although that is exactly what CCP has stated THEY want). What I said was that high sec industrialists have no effect on those in Nul. My ships are produced by PHI, which lives in Nul. Your reimbursements for goon ops also are manufactured in nul. What we need in highsec, WE GET OURSELVES. We do not rely on some pubbie industrialist in a hulk to do it for us with the exception of trit (Again, a point I made in my first post).

I think you need to take some reading comprehension courses and learn how not to **** post. You will go much further in Goonswarm that way and have less risk of being shot on sight because you are a massive fagg0t.



once again, you seem to be incapable of actually reading with any comprehension of what was said beyond your misguided misinterpretations. The entire time I have been talking about risk vs. reward. The risk in highsec is extremely low, so the reward should ALSO be low. Expand it sure, but keep the risk:reward ratio in line with the rest of the game of EVE.



And here speaks someone who has never tried their hand in a major way at invention! LOL. Yes, there are ways to make money on the markets, but they are what the previous poster would call "Having fun at the expense of others". I am talking about the base mechanics. If you think you can make money building T1 mods, go for it. If you think you can make money doing invention for T2 items where there is a BPO that exists, then you can go right ahead. It just means you haven't ever run the numbers and have no idea that doing that will COST you more than you make. It is a net loss over time rather than a gain.[/quote]



I should clarify, they aren't AS noticable. Again, you seem to read one sentence and forget that there is an entire paragraph after that. A well programmed bot in high-sec should be nearly impossible to detect.

are you sure you are in the right Alliance? again, NEVER STOP POSTING.