Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Remove static belts and up the grav site spawns everywhere to compensate. Since they dumbed down probing and made it part of the NPE as well, it shouldn't effect new players much at all.

Adding in harder and more random spawns would also be nice, however the "reward" from these rats wouldn't be able to match their difficulty or else you will have people farming null valued rats in high. Which is bad. Maybe switch rewards from ISK bounty to minor LP bounty?

Making it more "interactive" would be tricky unless you add in some sort of minigame into it.

Lastly Whitehound, no one listens to you about posting in F&I, though your persistence is commendable.

You're right that serious mining, with scanners, accounting for cycle times, target swapping and so it's more proficent than just fire a strip miner on anything lockable. But then, the whole point to AFK mining is to do it for hours upon hours. They gain with sheer time what they lose in proficency.

This is absolutely true.

If you treat mining as a single-player game (i.e. you give the game your entire attention), you might make 10m ISK per hour. (Numbers made up and posted for comparison's sake only)

If you treat it as a ¼ player game (i.e. you divide your attention between four EVE clients, or between one EVE client and various RL things spending most time on RL; under the assumption that the player has the time management skills to do this) you might make 8m ISK per account per hour of real time, but that's 32m per hour of attention paid to the game.

And if you blatantly cheat and run a bot, you can make 100m or more per hour of attention with little risk of loss to other players and no risk of loss outside of players interacting with you. In short, the present mechanics strongly reward botting over optimization.


My proposal was about changing mining from a single player or ¼ player activity into an activity that is single player but interactive in highsec (with ad-hoc cooperation for the tougher spawns but not really fleet ops), duo to small gang in lowsec, and small gang to small fleet in nullsec.

Really at its core, the proposal isn't about mining so much as it is about providing a real incentive for small vulnerable fleets to provide potential targets in lowsec and nullsec. There is no reason to contemplate taking a fleet of six Mackinaws, a Dominix and an Enyo into lowsec at present, you'd just get eight Mackinaws mining in a highsec belt instead. These changes would make organising a fleet like that viable.

Sometimes two of these fleets will encounter each other and choose not to fight. Other times one group will leave, reship and try to get the jump on the mining op, creating the conflict that EVE thrives upon.

One more thing I'd add to this.

Belts should refresh at somewhat random times, not predictably at downtime. Also the juicier ores (the 160-200% density ones) should 'downgrade' rather than being mined out.

While it's not broken, it's a dull and boring activity that promotes botting.

Mining should get a revamp and divided in several categories, each one for a different type of gameplay.

Ice should be something passive like PI, low income, risk free. There should be a specific ship that could set a platform and it would auto mine with a PI like configuration, but this probably wouldn't work well in a concord protected space.

The current asteroid belt should be rat free imo, instead if you went afk you could destroy an asteroid and lose the cycle or it would explode, with a good "minigame" without being intensive or getting boring after using it a whole it would add more depth to the asteroid belt mining profession.

Gravimetric sites should be possible to be mined in 20-40mins with an high income (around 10-20m per site), they should be low sec/null sec specific, this would let miners go into low sec/null with an average sized escort without it being a waste of time.

This is some ****** ideas I have, I'm sure CCP could think something better, but leaving mining in its current state it's a crime imho.