Ships & Modules

Strictly speaking PvP.

The climate right now is go ancillary booster or go home.

I was hoping when CCP said they wanted to "make active tanking more competitive with buffer" They meant actually balancing the current modules instead of releasing another overpowered one.

No matter what I do I cannot find a reason why I'd want to use a regular shield booster over an ancillary or dual-ancillary booster setup.

Not only do I dedicate more slots to doing the same thing, I end up doing it worse in the end.

It makes no sense.


Can CCP respond to what they are going to do about this? Are ancillary shield boosters going to be the only pvp module for shield active tankers or can we expect a REAL balancing soon?

X-large ancillary shield booster + shield boost amplifier T2 =1832 rep/cycle
Pith x-type x-large shield booster (530m in amarr) + shield boost amplifier T2 + command ship 5 + sleipnir = 1570 rep/cycle
Pith x-type x-large shield booster (530m in amarr) + shield boost amplifier T2 + nightmare )no bonus to shield booster) = 1142 rep/cycle

Not sure the reloading make much difference. What i mean is, an ancillary shield booster needs reloading after his charges are used and the shield booster can't perma run because it needs cap and to be as good as an ASB, a shield booster needs to do almost 2 cycle and can't be shut down if neuted.

Or you can simply use 2 x-large ASB.

They really should be neut/nos sensitive

After a near decade this game is surprisingly well balanced for an RPG.

Rule of thumb is if you think something is without use then you really need to re-evaluate it and the context around its use because something huge just passed under your radar.

This goes double so for the people who currently assume that armour tanking is worthless.

Yeah you keep saying that but in the end we're still just spinning around our opponent, kicking each other in the shins with the victor being the one who brought the biggest boots.


The difference between and EVE and other RPGs come in the form of null sec, the cost of losing and the economy.

Ship to ship balance is as RPG cookie cutter as it gets.

Hmmmm, it would be absolutely trivial to go through Eve and categorize ships+fits as being MDPS (Gallente), RDPS (Amarr or LR weapons), Support/Heals (CS/Logi), or Support/Control (Recons). Of course, there's the mix/match of ship setup and unconventional setups thrown in the mix, but ultimately conventional setups are conventional because of how well they work.

The biggest differences I see are the profound lack of AOE and DOT in Eve combining with the utterly boolean state of our control effects. Once you get snared (webbed) in Eve, you will remain so until you get range (ha ha ha) or the module is deactivated.

Anyway, there are differences, sure... but they're not so large. And many of the same game design balance decisions are made in Eve as are made everywhere else. Maybe, just maybe, because conventional setups are conventional because they work.

-Liang

It's a great game so calm down but Eve is not some gem of supreme brilliance in the gaming world. It's another MMO and no more complicated in pvp balance than for example WoW.

Yes there's agility and tracking speed and fall off range but those only seem complicated because the formulas are right in our face. It's no more complicated than a game where players fight in mixed melee and range, with stuns, fears, roots, free running and knockbacks, mana drains, silence, dots, absorption shields and god knows what more. Then take all of it and try to balance it in everyone versus everyone.

Eve at least has ship classes that don't have to be balanced against each other. They don't even have to bother trying to balance a T1 frigate against a battleship or a battlecruiser against a Carrier to make it fair.


Eve is pretty well balanced. Most fights are over before they even start just based on the ship types. Solo pvp is not even on the map.

If you think that the depth of PvP in this game can be summed down to pushing orbit and whoever has the better fit / skills = winner then you are bad at PvP have much to learn.





Edit: CCP Look here

The ASB can do the job of a cap booster and a shield booster in one module, they should be weaker rep than a normal shield booster. How about they get rid of the reload time (or reduce greatly) and make it so that cap boosters can be loaded instantly but in return you get a booster that doesn't rep as much as a normal booster set up.

Why would this be good? Ships that are lacking mid slots can get a good active tank setup, but it will not be as strong as a traditional set up. It is also immune to neuts. Can be useful for the smaller ships, IE frigs, crusiers, HACs maybe. Heck, you can even use it on bigger ships if are going to fight energy neuts. But you will get less repair amount as a trade off.


Traditional active tanks will get boosted so that they can rep much more than they do right now (at the moment their rep amount is pathetic) They will be stronger than an ASB but are vulnerable to neuts and require a cap booster also fitted for it to work.
This will be more ideal for a ship that has many mid slots it can use for tanking. Useful for ships like BCs and Battleships, etc.

And you are basing this on what experience? The 15 or less total engagements you've had?

If you just jumped into PvP and are not having good performance... Don't try to blame the game as being shallow for your shortcomings.

This attitude is one of the things that can hinder your development as a competent PvPer. Go watch some PvP videos with pilot commentary (kil2, eveiseasy), or listen to a few small gang PvP podcasts and attempt to try and understand what they are even talking about. You will realize that the PvP in this game has much more depth than any of those other theme park MMOs.