These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#981 - 2013-03-15 23:58:26 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:

As true as that is the more we debate this issue and how we play the more we prove that statement to be true. Whether we curse New Oder and how they play warped or not we all think that noone should interfer with how we play whether its other players or CCP.


I only get upset when it's CCP breaking things because they ended up having the appearance of not thinking the situation through, don't listen to the SISI people who're saying that the thing will get exploited to hell and back, and then end up coming up with too heavy a nerf ...

Players interfering with my chosen play style is awesome and makes for fun times -- especially when I interfere back.


My name is Inigo Montoya....

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#982 - 2013-03-17 09:21:05 UTC
ahhhhhhh
ahhhhhhh
aaaaaaahhhhhhchhhhooooooooo!!!!!!thread bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



excuse me...

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#983 - 2013-03-18 19:18:59 UTC
Strepor wrote:
2. There is much talk of in game armed resistance to the New Order. But in the end nothing will come of it and these people will do what they always do and complain spout nonsensical bragging baka on the forums in the hope that CCP some dumb miner gives in to their demands just to shut them up


FTFY.


Real simple people:

1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.




http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Sledgehammer Baby Punch
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#984 - 2013-03-18 21:28:17 UTC
Well I'm not a miner, and I did not read every post here, the 1st page was just too much, If you don't like what someone is doing fight back. Bump back, Or is that what your doing here by asking others to pay you isk and not the order? humm wait now im all mixed up. Who is who? O hellUgh. come mine in low sec, we don't bump you there. Twisted you'v just been PUNCHED!
Lin Suizei
#985 - 2013-03-18 22:36:11 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

FTFY.


Real simple people:

1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.


I thought you opposed the New Order. Thanks for your support!

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#986 - 2013-03-19 01:58:57 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Strepor wrote:
2. There is much talk of in game armed resistance to the New Order. But in the end nothing will come of it and these people will do what they always do and complain spout nonsensical bragging baka on the forums in the hope that CCP some dumb miner gives in to their demands just to shut them up


FTFY.


Real simple people:

1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.



Please reminded that the CODE ( http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html ) is law in all of high-sec, asteroid belts and all. Non-compliance can result in your ship being ganked.

A simple 10 million isk mining permit, a token payment to prove your commitment in becoming a better industrialist, is a much better investment than having to replace your ship.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#987 - 2013-03-19 14:49:56 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Real simple people:

1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.

We of the New Order would like to second this message.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#988 - 2013-03-19 15:35:00 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
...
1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.
...

FOUR steps?

If you want most miners to follow your advice, you're going to have to get the number of steps down to some reasonable number, definitely below two. Oh, and please make sure the remaining step does not require any active effort. There is a reason they are mining.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#989 - 2013-03-19 20:23:57 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
...
1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.
...

FOUR steps?

If you want most miners to follow your advice, you're going to have to get the number of steps down to some reasonable number, definitely below two. Oh, and please make sure the remaining step does not require any active effort. There is a reason they are mining.


Here - Try this:
Quote:
1) Don't mine ice.

How's that grab ya?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#990 - 2013-03-20 12:01:15 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
...
1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.
...

FOUR steps?

If you want most miners to follow your advice, you're going to have to get the number of steps down to some reasonable number, definitely below two. Oh, and please make sure the remaining step does not require any active effort. There is a reason they are mining.



Specially since Manny cant get past 1
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#991 - 2013-03-20 12:31:42 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
A simple 10 million isk mining permit, a token payment to prove your commitment in becoming a better industrialist, is a much better investment than having to replace your ship.


Ha! What part of "Tank" and "ECM" did you not read?

Millions for defense, but not one ISK for tribute.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Lin Suizei
#992 - 2013-03-20 13:29:27 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Ha! What part of "Tank" and "ECM" did you not read?

Millions for defense, but not one ISK for tribute.


May all Code-compliant miners follow your example, remaining at their keyboards at all times, vigilantly guarding the safety of their mining vessel through intelligent fitting and active gameplay.

Praise be to James 315 for what he has benevolently forced you and your bot-aspirant brethren to do - to take responsibility for your own safety, to actually play the game at your keyboard, and for once to participate in the sandbox of New Eden. Where you once might have posted that the New Order was inherently wrong, even you now encourage miners to take their safety into their own hands, as they should have all along.

For his selfless and heroic actions, there is no limit to what the miners of Highsec owe James 315 - yet he only asks strict and absolute adherence to a simple and clear Code of Conduct, and the payment of 10M ISK for a Permit.

Glory to the New Order, 10M to her Agents

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#993 - 2013-03-20 16:32:34 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
A simple 10 million isk mining permit, a token payment to prove your commitment in becoming a better industrialist, is a much better investment than having to replace your ship.


Ha! What part of "Tank" and "ECM" did you not read?

Millions for defense, but not one ISK for tribute.


There are those who trust in their modules instead of trusting in the CODE. They are good for making examples of.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#994 - 2013-03-20 17:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimo Khan
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Strepor wrote:
2. There is much talk of in game armed resistance to the New Order. But in the end nothing will come of it and these people will do what they always do and complain spout nonsensical bragging baka on the forums in the hope that CCP some dumb miner gives in to their demands just to shut them up


FTFY.


Real simple people:

1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.



Please reminded that the CODE ( http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html ) is law in all of high-sec, asteroid belts and all. Non-compliance can result in your ship being ganked.

A simple 10 million isk mining permit, a token payment to prove your commitment in becoming a better industrialist, is a much better investment than having to replace your ship.


Mining permit 10mil ISK.

Procurer 10mil isk

Watching 8 catalyst die killing your tank on a procurer - Priceless.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#995 - 2013-03-20 17:55:07 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
...
1) Don't mine ice.
2) Tank.
3) ECM.
4) Ignore.
...

FOUR steps?

If you want most miners to follow your advice, you're going to have to get the number of steps down to some reasonable number, definitely below two. Oh, and please make sure the remaining step does not require any active effort. There is a reason they are mining.





I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement in it's blanket format even though the last sentence is true as a stand-alone statement.
I mine ICE when needed (and do PI) to make fuel blocks for my POSes which provide slots and services to my corpmates, I mine ORE when needed to build ships for our new members and/or to fill production orders for our corporate friends from low/null sec, the proceeds of which go into the corp wallet to pay for office locations books and other things(when applicable) for my corp-mates.

what I do not do is simply go strip belts for the sole purpose of putting the Ice, ore or the refined minerals on the market to fatten my wallet.


TL;DNR
I mine for a purpose, for something more than just myself and I am not the only one either.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#996 - 2013-03-20 17:59:43 UTC
Kimo Khan wrote:
Mining permit 10mil ISK.

Procurer 10mil isk

Watching 8 catalyst die killing your tank on a procurer - Priceless.



HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

I LOL'd at that....

jolly good

+1

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#997 - 2013-03-20 23:25:04 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Millions for defense, but not one ISK for tribute.



Seems to me that "tribute",( like respect) is something that's earned, not extorted, coerced, demanded of, or taken from folks, it (an act, statement, or gift) can only truly be "tribute" if given freely in an act of appreciation, gratitude or honor/admiration.


a synonym of which would be tax or homage which like all synonyms aren't quite the same thing.

:)


anyway, just a thought.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Minerva Arbosa
Spatial Forces
Warped Intentions
#998 - 2013-03-21 15:50:25 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Complex Potential wrote:
I don't really care one way or the other but I do have a question for the new order if they will indulge me.

How do you measure your success against the ultimate goal of changing the way people play?

What's obvious is that you have blown up a lot of stuff and annoyed a lot of miners but I would imagine that a true "victory" for you guys is for someone who was mining by themselves altering their playstyle to embrace player interactions. But how do you measure that? How do you distinguish the people who are just paying the 10mil because they want you off their back and those who you are truly changing?

Will you guys ever know when you have achieved your goal or can you even give an indication of what proportion of the way along you have already got?

It would be one hell of a data gathering exercise (maybe you're already doing it).


When we go into systems to bump, we see permitted miners who welcome us, and chat with us while we bump the non-compliant. The Order has some people who started as rebels, but now take active roles in the Order. We see a fair number of those engaging us one way or another when we're active, which fills us with the joy of the knowledge that so many miners are allowing the Code a cherished place in their lives.


Then you have some of your guys who ignore miners actively at their keyboards and decide to gank them anyways. My other bet is that even if you do buy this indulgence pass, the New Order Logistics will gank you anyways. Who is to say this pass doesn't mark you as target?
Minerva Arbosa
Spatial Forces
Warped Intentions
#999 - 2013-03-21 16:02:33 UTC
Aracimia Wolfe wrote:
Kesian Quinn wrote:
I am mostly curious how the Order justifies blowing up ships of miners who are talking in local and not afk. This tells me they are not after change, only after extortion money. It all sounded reasonable until they started targetting non afk ships. I'm just curious.


As I understand it they've taken a with us or against us stance. Pay the permit get left alone. Don't pay the permit you're anti-code. Or Just not a miner.

Also I think it follows on with the fact that they HAVE to charge 10mill otherwise it's just harrassment. A genius move actually when you think about it, that pittance "extortion" is what validates the whole thing.


Until someone demands a 5 million ISK fee instead of a 10 million ISK fee. I guarantee another corp will start up in a month or two and do the same thing. Pay us money or we bump you, and destroy you. It starts with 1. In a few months, high sec will be riddled with guys like this and no mining will get done, and therefore prices of minerals goes up. When mineral prices go up, everyone complains everything costs more.

So they are just the start of the machine that is going to blow up the economy to astronomical prices in the future. So let's blow up more ships so everything costs more.
Agent Trask
Doomheim
#1000 - 2013-03-21 17:34:21 UTC
Minerva Arbosa wrote:


Until someone demands a 5 million ISK fee instead of a 10 million ISK fee. I guarantee another corp will start up in a month or two and do the same thing. Pay us money or we bump you, and destroy you. It starts with 1. In a few months, high sec will be riddled with guys like this and no mining will get done, and therefore prices of minerals goes up. When mineral prices go up, everyone complains everything costs more.

So they are just the start of the machine that is going to blow up the economy to astronomical prices in the future. So let's blow up more ships so everything costs more.


Another player has started a similar corp. He is welcome to sell his permits, and to sell ours as well.

And why should a miner that actually watches local care?

More expensive ore means more profits.

Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.

www.minerbumping.com