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And you thought HI was too safe???? Welcome to Thunderdome™

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#241 - 2013-03-20 00:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tippia wrote:
…sooo how much is a Tech moon worth a month, again?


Thats because its that much of a problem and Thunderdome™ will be paid for by MasterBlasters Tech Cool
Who runs Barter Town Montrolio?
Where's Mel Gibson when ya need him? NULL needs the Road Warrior/Mad Max to mix things up... We need another Hero
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#242 - 2013-03-20 00:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Frying Doom wrote:
The more relevant question would be how large is the balance of Goonswarms wallet.
No. The relevant question is how much do they earn in a month “for free”, since we're trying to compare that to how much others earn through other means.

DarthNefarius wrote:
Thats because its that much of a problem
Eh what? I'm asking “how much?” — “because” is not a sensible response to that… Ugh
Frying Doom
#243 - 2013-03-20 00:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Tippia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The more relevant question would be how large is the balance of Goonswarms wallet.
No. The relevant question is how much do they earn in a month “for free”, since we're trying to compare that to how much others earn through other means.

Oh I agree with that as well but there wallet comes into it as well as they have been getting these welfare checks for so long.

And due to that, their balance is something that will effect a war more

If you were to capture every tech moon off them in a single day you would still have to burn 1.5 trillion in their ships before they could stop fighting

and that is a bloody lot of ships.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Alara IonStorm
#244 - 2013-03-20 00:23:35 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

No a very excellent reason not to bother.

With an attitude like that you'll never beat them. Rome won without a single clash of sword or missile launched.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#245 - 2013-03-20 00:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Tippia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The more relevant question would be how large is the balance of Goonswarms wallet.
No. The relevant question is how much do they earn in a month “for free”, since we're trying to compare that to how much others earn through other means.

Actually, that still masks the relevant question.

Sheer numbers, both in resources, pilots, cap ships, super caps and all the background work that goes into making a group that size work *at all* (experience being a form of quality, itself).

To give credit where credit is due, Goons et. al. have been clamoring for Tech to be fixed and actually called it before the change went live.

That still doesn't change the fact that they're reduced to running "Thunderdome" ops...
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

No a very excellent reason not to bother.

With an attitude like that you'll never beat them.

I honestly do not expect them to *ever* get beaten short of losing interest and quitting.

They are too well led (hats off, ladies and gents), too large, well entrenched and funded for anyone short of a coalition of most of the rest of the major players in Null sec to have much impact on.


And I, for one, don't see that happening.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Frying Doom
#246 - 2013-03-20 00:25:09 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

No a very excellent reason not to bother.

With an attitude like that you'll never beat them. Rome won without a single clash of sword or missile launched.

So when did Rome fight an enemy with unlimited resources?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#247 - 2013-03-20 00:25:32 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

No a very excellent reason not to bother.

With an attitude like that you'll never beat them. Rome won without a single clash of sword or missile launched.


They also got raped by genghis kahn. or would have.

EDIT: Eh, I need a histroy lesson, the actual fall of rome is boring really. Much like the idea of a thunderdome is boring.

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Alara IonStorm
#248 - 2013-03-20 00:34:54 UTC
rodyas wrote:

They also got raped by genghis kahn. or would have.

EDIT: Eh, I need a histroy lesson, that actually fall of rome is boring actaully. Much like the idea of a thunderdome is boring.

Crash Course makes everything fun.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#249 - 2013-03-20 00:44:32 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
rodyas wrote:

They also got raped by genghis kahn. or would have.

EDIT: Eh, I need a histroy lesson, that actually fall of rome is boring actaully. Much like the idea of a thunderdome is boring.

Crash Course makes everything fun.


Still would have been more interesting if genghis khan invaded and tore them apart.

We just need to find a way to make the goons look appealing to the mongolians.

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Ryu Ibarazaki
Doomheim
#250 - 2013-03-20 01:08:22 UTC
rodyas wrote:

Still would have been more interesting if genghis khan invaded and tore them apart.

We just need to find a way to make the goons look appealing to the mongolians.


A public relations win for the Goonswarm. Yesterday's savage barbarians, today's toga-clad servants of the Republic.

Manere parum pudici!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#251 - 2013-03-20 01:08:52 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Organized events, meaningless fights.

Azeroth has invaded New Eden. Thanks Goons and friends. Big smile


Nothing is stopping you from raising your own fleets to oppose us.


Can I also join Thunderdome™ ? Do I have to include a 500 million deposit along with the Thunderdome™ fleet application & will you be handling all the ISK Lol

You just gave me an idea.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#252 - 2013-03-20 01:17:51 UTC
Ryu Ibarazaki wrote:

A public relations win for the Goonswarm. Yesterday's savage barbarians, today's toga-clad servants of the Republic.

Manere parum pudici!



I think since we are discussing Thunderdome™ a better Latin moto would be:

Morituri Te SalutamusAttention
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#253 - 2013-03-20 02:17:55 UTC
I love hardcore to you know ID&T ftw ha? Cool using a brand name for eve online.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#254 - 2013-03-20 20:45:14 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I nor anyone else can compete against those tech moons, as even if someone where to take say 10 of them off you, you have gained so much isk for so long that you would have the ability to fight back even if you were to sustain massive losses.


Each Tech moon is worth less per hour than a Mackinaw mining Ice. There are something around 500 tech moons (Goonswarm doesn't hold nearly all of them).

You saying you can't compete with 500 miners in Mackinaws?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#255 - 2013-03-20 20:52:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Organized events, meaningless fights.

Azeroth has invaded New Eden. Thanks Goons and friends. Big smile


Nothing is stopping you from raising your own fleets to oppose us.


Nothing besides that fact that you recruited practically the whole server to your side. Bravo New BoB

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#256 - 2013-03-20 20:57:56 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Nothing besides that fact that you recruited practically the whole server to your side.
Well, that's certainly a change from the normal “highsec majority” spiel you so often hear… Shocked

I suppose that means that fixing highsec wouldn't actually create any backlash at all. Hop to it CCP!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#257 - 2013-03-20 21:00:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Nothing besides that fact that you recruited practically the whole server to your side.
Well, that's certainly a change from the normal “highsec majority” spiel you so often hear… Shocked

I suppose that means that fixing highsec wouldn't actually create any backlash at all. Hop to it CCP!


We've always been at war with EASTASIA.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Frying Doom
#258 - 2013-03-20 21:58:16 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I nor anyone else can compete against those tech moons, as even if someone where to take say 10 of them off you, you have gained so much isk for so long that you would have the ability to fight back even if you were to sustain massive losses.


Each Tech moon is worth less per hour than a Mackinaw mining Ice. There are something around 500 tech moons (Goonswarm doesn't hold nearly all of them).

You saying you can't compete with 500 miners in Mackinaws?

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons

Ok so you got the number of tech moons wrong

EvElopedia wrote:

HUMBLE BEGINNINGS

The very smallest moon-mining operation requires no more than 150-200 million ISK to start up and this can certainly see some profit. This setup consists of a small control tower, which is the central nexus of the POS, a moon-harvesting array, a silo to hold the material harvested and, of course, fuel. Unlike mining lasers that you use on asteroids, the moon miner (or harvesting array) is fully automated and works 24/7, even through downtime. Once the modules are anchored, brought online, the material type is selected and the miner linked to the silo using the POS management interface, 100 units of the material you are mining will be dropped into the silo every hour. Some raw materials can be sold for more than the fuel cost of the POS, making mining them a profitable venture. You can have as many moon harvesting arrays running as you have different moon minerals. For example, if your moon has cadmium, caesium, and silicates then you can mine all 3 of these minerals at the same time if you have 3 moon harvesting arrays.


Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#259 - 2013-03-20 22:22:12 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
[quote=RubyPorto][quote=Frying Doom]
Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day?


If so they probably hang out in delve & are BOTs... Blink
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#260 - 2013-03-20 22:29:35 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
[quote=RubyPorto][quote=Frying Doom]
Tech is 72,000 isk per unit, so 7,200,000 per hour, 172,800,000 per day, so care to find me a mackinaw that mines 24 hours a day?


If so they probably hang out in delve & are BOTs... Blink


More likely Lonetrek or the Citadel.