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CS Skill Change Question
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Jim Larimer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-03-18 13:40:23 UTC
With the upcoming changes to the Command Ships skill requirements, I'm considering training it to 5 now so that I can fly them without having all those leadership skills. The problem is, this is about 50 days out for me (I have no pre-reqs). This puts me at about a May 8th completion date.

If I am still finishing this up when the skill change patch comes, will I continue to train CS 5 so long as I don't pause or cancel the skill even though I won't have the prerequisite requirements to train it? Or will I be stuck 80% through level 5 with a skill I no longer qualify to continue training for?
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-18 14:16:59 UTC
The pre-reqs are only checked when you inject the skill book. What you need to fly the ships, well that's a different matter.
Slaveofjita
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-03-18 16:38:13 UTC
as far as i understand it as long as you have the skill injected you will be able to train it and fly the ships associated with the skill after the patch.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2013-03-18 19:11:38 UTC
You're doing it wrong. Here's what you need to do now to fly and train CSs after the patch:


  1. Spaceship Command 5
  2. Battlecruisers 5
  3. Leadership 5
  4. Warfare Link Specialist 4
  5. Command Ships 1

That's it. Don't bother with anything else. Stop there and wait for the patch. Afterwards, you will be able to fly all CSs and train the CS skill at your leisure.
Jim Larimer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-03-19 02:43:54 UTC
Oh, cool. I didn't know skill checks only happened upon injecting. I guess I'll just train it to 1 since I'm 2 months old and all. Thanks all!
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2013-03-19 03:56:31 UTC
Jim Larimer wrote:
Oh, cool. I didn't know skill checks only happened upon injecting. I guess I'll just train it to 1 since I'm 2 months old and all. Thanks all!


It was worth checking. That change appears to be coming in with the skill changes. Ytterbium mentions it here.
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
Triumvirate.
#7 - 2013-03-19 10:28:11 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
You're doing it wrong. Here's what you need to do now to fly and train CSs after the patch:


  1. Spaceship Command 5
  2. Battlecruisers 5
  3. Leadership 5
  4. Warfare Link Specialist 4
  5. Command Ships 1

That's it. Don't bother with anything else. Stop there and wait for the patch. Afterwards, you will be able to fly all CSs and train the CS skill at your leisure.


Trow in all cruiser's race to lvl 3 too

Hula
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-19 13:32:17 UTC
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
You're doing it wrong. Here's what you need to do now to fly and train CSs after the patch:


  1. Spaceship Command 5
  2. Battlecruisers 5
  3. Leadership 5
  4. Warfare Link Specialist 4
  5. Command Ships 1

That's it. Don't bother with anything else. Stop there and wait for the patch. Afterwards, you will be able to fly all CSs and train the CS skill at your leisure.


Trow in all cruiser's race to lvl 3 too

Hula


Im thinking it was assumed the person already did the necessary BC training before considering all command ships...
Jim Larimer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-03-20 00:06:04 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
You're doing it wrong. Here's what you need to do now to fly and train CSs after the patch:


  1. Spaceship Command 5
  2. Battlecruisers 5
  3. Leadership 5
  4. Warfare Link Specialist 4
  5. Command Ships 1

That's it. Don't bother with anything else. Stop there and wait for the patch. Afterwards, you will be able to fly all CSs and train the CS skill at your leisure.


Trow in all cruiser's race to lvl 3 too

Hula


Im thinking it was assumed the person already did the necessary BC training before considering all command ships...


And you would be right. I'm good on all the obvious stuff. And I'm clueless about the obscure ccp forum posts. Thanks for that link Zhilia!
Cardo Fescio
Red Devil Trading
#10 - 2013-03-20 14:47:52 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Jim Larimer wrote:
Oh, cool. I didn't know skill checks only happened upon injecting. I guess I'll just train it to 1 since I'm 2 months old and all. Thanks all!


It was worth checking. That change appears to be coming in with the skill changes. Ytterbium mentions it here.


I would doublecheck this. One of my alts has a skill he cannot train because he is missing some prereqs ( the alt was made some years back, bevor the "new" char creation and a lot has changed since then).
And the devblog only says that one will still be able to fly the ship, nothing about further skill training. Blink
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-20 20:03:40 UTC
Cardo Fescio wrote:
I would doublecheck this. One of my alts has a skill he cannot train because he is missing some prereqs ( the alt was made some years back, bevor the "new" char creation and a lot has changed since then).
And the devblog only says that one will still be able to fly the ship, nothing about further skill training. Blink


Quoting from the post that was linked above:

CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Alrigh folks, good news.

We'll change the way training works so that you can still train the skills you have after change, even if you don't meet the prerequisite anymore.

Ex:

You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence and you will now still be able to train Amarr Freighter past 1 as long as you have the skill injected.


Hope that's clear - trying my very best Sad
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2013-03-20 22:00:55 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Cardo Fescio wrote:
I would doublecheck this. One of my alts has a skill he cannot train because he is missing some prereqs ( the alt was made some years back, bevor the "new" char creation and a lot has changed since then).
And the devblog only says that one will still be able to fly the ship, nothing about further skill training. Blink


Quoting from the post that was linked above:

CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Alrigh folks, good news.

We'll change the way training works so that you can still train the skills you have after change, even if you don't meet the prerequisite anymore.

Ex:

You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence and you will now still be able to train Amarr Freighter past 1 as long as you have the skill injected.


Hope that's clear - trying my very best Sad



This exactly. While it's conceivably possible that CCP would only make this change for select skills, it seems much more straightforward to change the prerequisite checks across the board and allow all injected skills to be trained.