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So...large hybrid V?

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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-10-29 06:25:07 UTC
yay or nay?

based on current plans, blasters are still highly situational. AC's are still better. a tracking buff by itself simply does not cut it. the jury is still out on rails.

any EFT warriors or experienced pilots wanna theorize on hybrid viability come winter expansion?
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#2 - 2011-10-29 06:53:00 UTC
I'd say yes, very much. Between the blasters buff, the Naga and the Talos that's a lot of reasons to.

At least I hope so, i just finished traning it a month back Lol
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2011-10-29 06:57:26 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
yay or nay?

based on current plans, blasters are still highly situational. AC's are still better. a tracking buff by itself simply does not cut it. the jury is still out on rails.

any EFT warriors or experienced pilots wanna theorize on hybrid viability come winter expansion?


You have enough time to train large projectiles before the patch if you have mediums now. Having been burned on an expected gallente/hybrid buff twice now, my advice is to get the pre-reqs in (which you will have if you train T2 large ACs), and train hybrids as and when they actually get buffed. It's always good to have a choice of weapon types and best of all to be able to use all 3.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-29 07:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
I'd suggest training small hybrid turrets first. It's not easy to train the large ones first. Infact, I think you have to train the small and then medium first, before training large hybrid turrets.

Oh wait, do you mean you already have them trained to lvl 4?
Depends if the boost to rail damage is high enough.
Large hybrid turret would be pretty good I think.
Blasters are always fun, and should get a bit better. Not sure about rails, they aren't the type of gun you want for alpha, ofc.
I think testing rails on sisi would be a good idea before they hit TQ.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-29 08:45:24 UTC
Yes train Hybrid to 5, that unlocks Large Hybrid Specialization which in turn gives a potential maximum of an extra 10% DPS.

Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-29 18:05:16 UTC
i think im just gonna catch up on some missiles skills, and wait for the devblog at least. already have medium projectiles and hybrids at V
Tarikla
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-29 18:07:39 UTC
Already got large railgun spec to 4 so ... nothing to do :D

And my kronos will be awesom with his new Javelin L Big smile
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-10-29 18:33:24 UTC
as awesome as, say, a paladin or an artillery BS?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-29 18:33:32 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
yay or nay?


Depends, do you already have large projectiles 5? -if you do I'd say no, and this is the best advice a gallente pilot can give you, just train amarr (yummy Bhaalgorn)

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based on current plans, blasters are still highly situational. AC's are still better. a tracking buff by itself simply does not cut it. the jury is still out on rails.


With Void and no TE's your large water pistols are shooting soap balloons at 25km, every one knows how powerful Void is and how important is the tracking penalty on short range blasters ammo
Rails? -bah, just wait and see after changes, you'll still be better with tachyons or arty, no doubt about it.

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any EFT warriors or experienced pilots wanna theorize on hybrid viability come winter expansion?


Simple, better options for engagement and better survivability when active tanked (maybe tm), same crap optimal range same crap fall off dps same crap overall dps and same crap low bricks.
Same crap SITUATIONAL use.

Do you really want to spend time training lvl5 large hybrids because of some web bonus on some paper thin low dps slow brick?
Ask some friends to come with rapiers, bring your Winmatar stuff, clean the place, loot, profit, have fun.

Let masochists have their daily pain dose.
Tiaggo
Mawr Mining and Missioning
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#10 - 2011-10-29 18:40:18 UTC
Worth having to fully experience the power of BC's with BS hi slot weapons?

Do it mun
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-29 18:44:27 UTC
Tiaggo wrote:
Worth having to fully experience the power of BC's with BS hi slot weapons?

Do it mun


Tornado Lol
T' Elk
Into the Ether
Out of the Blue.
#12 - 2011-10-29 18:58:30 UTC
Started training it just before we heard about the hybrid buffs :P

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#13 - 2011-10-29 19:26:39 UTC
Ah its times like this that I'm glad I trained all weapon systems.

If you didn't use blasters/rails often in the past then I wouldn't worry much about it. Don't be that guy that just FOTM chases. If you liked them train them if you don't...well don't train it then.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-10-29 19:31:39 UTC
i dont know about winmatar...i was hoping it wouldnt come down to it.

i really hope they figure something out for hybrids. ive been wanting to fly the deimos, mega and rail-sentry domi for a long time.
Hentes Zsemle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-29 20:16:30 UTC
What would be the reason to train that? The 20% tracking for one or 10% damage for the other?
Fitting requirement changes won't matter at all if the weapon system and the tactics it's designed to use with is unfeasible.

Better off training lasers or projectiles.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-10-29 21:01:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
i guess im hoping more significant changes will come our way....gonna try keeping this thread alive.

but im telling you, CCP, what youre planning so far is not even close to enough. waiting for dev blog and hoping.
Ur235
Appetite 4 Destruction
#17 - 2011-10-29 21:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ur235
Look you cant have blasters the same as autocannons they are meant to be a different weapon that has a different approach, no point in having 2 close range types of turrets that are pretty much exactly the same thing.

I think the rail bonus is going to help to make gallente boats fesible in fleet warfare. But blasters will never fit in with fleet warfare its not how they are made they are best used in small roaming gangs that can land at 0 and hold there targets there and do crazy dmg so you can kill them in time before they burn out, if the other gang does manage to get away then pray to god the gang has a handfull of decent logi pilots to keep you alive long enough to burn back to a gate or a station before you die and run away

Yes it sucks but its just the way it is

hmm

Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-29 21:24:28 UTC
Just train them all. Then you're nerf proof.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-10-29 21:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Ur235 wrote:


I think the rail bonus is going to help to make gallente boats fesible in fleet warfare. But blasters will never fit in with fleet warfare


i dont want blasters do be viable for fleet work. i just want them to be viable for small gang work. tracking wont help that. AC's are vastly superior.

if blaster range and fall-off arent getting buffed, then they better do 50% more damage than they do currently.
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#20 - 2011-10-29 22:57:22 UTC
Their ships will be faster and you will be able to fit larger calibre blasters which means you will have more range. So yes - they will work fine.
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