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Give the ability to remove skills.
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Whitehound
#21 - 2013-03-20 14:42:23 UTC
Why post this not into Features and Ideas Discussion?

On the topic: the idea has been suggested many times. I see nothing wrong with it. Only it is more of a wish than a necessity and has a good chance of being completely ignored by CCP like many other wishes before it.

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#22 - 2013-03-20 14:52:41 UTC
You can remove skills no prob! Just self-destruct yourpod over and over without updating you clone until the skill is gone! problem solved
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#23 - 2013-03-20 15:16:17 UTC
Perhaps if one day the clone system and it's related costs are reworked this could be looked into, but it will be a far more complicated issue than it would seem at first glance (prerequisite skills, clone levels and costs, and several other smaller details would have to be looked at, reworked completely, and tested).

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#24 - 2013-03-20 15:18:53 UTC
Oh god yes. Just let me remove Mining I and I'll be happy.

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-03-20 15:38:53 UTC
Miss MoneyPenny Boma wrote:
People are going to troll, but the idea is now on the forums.


Don't worry, it'll still be forgotten and burried beneath a whole shitload of other threads nobody cares about.

In a few weeks, finding this thread again will be like looking for a needle in a really big pile of other needles.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Miss MoneyPenny Boma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-03-20 17:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss MoneyPenny Boma
Whitehound wrote:
Why post this not into Features and Ideas Discussion?

On the topic: the idea has been suggested many times. I see nothing wrong with it. Only it is more of a wish than a necessity and has a good chance of being completely ignored by CCP like many other wishes before it.


Yeah it's definitely a wish and not something game breaking that I'd like to see added.

If you don't ask you don't get.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Oh god yes. Just let me remove Mining I and I'll be happy.


Amen.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#27 - 2013-03-20 17:22:12 UTC
Welcome to EvE?


There are no give-backs here, even I agree with that.....Lol


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Miss MoneyPenny Boma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-03-20 17:23:43 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Welcome to EvE?


There are no give-backs here, even I agree with that.....Lol




Give backs?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#29 - 2013-03-20 17:40:24 UTC
Well, OP, I have now confirmed that there are three players that feel passionately enough to post on this topic. I am one of them.

Not so bad these days, to be honest. But a lot of us have older characters that started out with 800k SP of which we had very little control over. We were more interested in the skill allocations due to the fact that there were no remaps back then.

For example, if you wanted a balanced character you made a Caldari Achura. But you got stuck with a lot of crap skills injected as the cost of doing it.

I would love the opportunity to delete these skills. It would not appreciably change the value of the clone as they are just a bunch of level 1 to 3, rank 1 and 2 skills. What it would do is clean up my skill sheet. And I now know I'm not alone in this. Some of us just like things tidy. Even if CCP made a cap of only 100K SP able to be deleted, it would make a world of difference.

Join the movement, good people. Let's make our voices heard and get this simple change made sooner than later.

Mr Epeen Cool
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-03-20 17:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Well, actually i was being serious, but it doesn't matter.

What matters is the fact that [something], which is not going to happen,
will not stop anybody from talking about [said nonsense] all day anyway. ^_^
Miss MoneyPenny Boma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-03-20 17:59:08 UTC
If people don't voice their ideas of what they would like ofcourse nothing will ever happen.

If you think the idea is terrible then you think the ideas is terrible - peace out - no problem.

However as stated in my original post (some have commented but failed to read) it's not about any re-inbursement or gain, it's about getting rid of skills. If CCP find the time or actually deem it viable to do it then great, if not then so be it, but it doesn't do any harm in bringing up topics that some people want to talk about or attempt to bring to CCPs attention.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-03-20 18:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Miss MoneyPenny Boma wrote:
If people don't voice their ideas of what they would like ofcourse nothing will ever happen.

If you think the idea is terrible then you think the ideas is terrible - peace out - no problem.

However as stated in my original post (some have commented but failed to read) it's not about any re-inbursement or gain, it's about getting rid of skills. If CCP find the time or actually deem it viable to do it then great, if not then so be it, but it doesn't do any harm in bringing up topics that some people want to talk about or attempt to bring to CCPs attention.
I didn't say what i think of your idea,
so why do you think that i think your idea is terrible ?

It simply won't happen. There is nothing more to say about this and all talk about it is futile from the getgo.
GD is full of ideas not worth talking about, but people talk about it all day. I understand that for several reasons
not worth going into.

None the less ... this thread will fill up ... it will die out sooner or later ... and in a few weeks/months some other
Mr. Monk will come up with the same idea, with exactly the same outcome. Just like every other idea, no matter
how moronic it is, will come up over and over and over and over again, just to die out, until the next genius
who can't use "search" makes a new thread about an old idea already beaten to death.

Just like you did.

And dare i say ... the chance of you not understanding that [whatever] won't happen ...
... just like every other guy who opens a thread ranting/suggesting ...
... is really, really high.

I could be wrong, too ... and i accept that ... but the outcome will be the same, no matter what.

And thus ... it's simply not worth posting.

But why do people keep posting the same **** in the same threads over and over again, one might ask ?

Simple. They *have* to. :)


Why do i post ? Because it's fun. I mostly don't care about topics that repeat itself over and over again
and just talk about whatever i like, or have a nice conversation about "thoraxes" or whatever,
because most of GD simply isn't worth more than that. :)

I post seriously once, maybe twice, simply to explain ... but that's it.
Morons, otoh, keep posting forever.


Have a good day. :)


edit: oh i forgot. People around here are *really* easy to force into reacting to you. Try it. :)
Miss MoneyPenny Boma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-03-20 18:14:32 UTC
I'll decide what I deem worth posting not you.

And why do you insist on using a million ellipses in a thread which is about an old idea and has been beaten to death?

Simple, you *have* to :)
Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-03-20 18:15:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
If it's a matter of tidiness, just train them up to a “tidy” level. P

The only real problem with skill deletion is that it would have to be restricted to skills that are not prerequisites to any other skills you have, and that's a bit messy to check for. And it's not because you need those skills for the prereqs — the problem is exactly the opposite: since you don't need the prereq skills once you've trained the next tier, skill deletion would let you cut away all those skills you only trained as prereqs and which now only bloat your clone costs. So even if, mechanically speaking, you don't use the prereqs for other nested skills, deletion would have to consider them “in use” if you have any such skills.

Beyond that, sure. Delete ahead.


It may be messy for a person, but not a computer. Basic graph theory algorithms would ensure only "leaf" nodes with no pre-requisites were retractable. But your points are noted.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#35 - 2013-03-20 18:22:30 UTC

This exact idea has been posted in the AH, in multiple forms:

The most recent... remove skills for plex:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192613&find=unread


In truth, I don't have an issue if you want to delete skills...

I foresee it as a means to really muck up someones account if you happen to get ahold of the account info!!!! Bad enough to have all your ships sold and stolen, suddenly you find all your toons have their skills stripped too....

CCP would get to deal with this, just so you can satisfy a OCD twitch... If they want to, sure, but its not something I'd rally for.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#36 - 2013-03-20 18:35:04 UTC
Out of interest, what skills are you looking to delete? I find most skills are useful to some degree, even if you're only going to let them sit at level 1. Maybe knowing what skills you deem to be useless might make me understand why you want the ability to remove them.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Miss MoneyPenny Boma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-03-20 18:39:48 UTC
I've some filthy mining skills, some dirty industrial skills, some hilarious social skills (oh dear) and then just random ~wtf did I buy that for~ skills.
Sarmatiko
#38 - 2013-03-20 19:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
I support this idea.
But CCP will never implement this, because this will lead to unnecessary risks and increase in support petition numbers.
Let's be honest, while overall community IQ is quite high, there is still many idiots. Just imagine what they will do with "Delete skill" button and who will they blame when things go wrong.
Lexa Damocles
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-03-20 19:15:49 UTC
Big deal ... my NYX pilot has level 2 caldari industrial on it and she is gallente ... doesen't bother me at all. :|
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#40 - 2013-03-20 19:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Miss MoneyPenny Boma wrote:


My 3 characters all have some dubious skills trained from when I was a new player. I would like the ability to be able to remove them.


Reality is what happens whilst you're busy making plans. Welcome to the real world - right along with the rest of us.


Miss MoneyPenny Boma wrote:
I've some filthy mining skills, some dirty industrial skills, some hilarious social skills (oh dear) and then just random ~wtf did I buy that for~ skills.


Whups. Someone's been naughty.

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