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Why we do the things we do ?
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
#1 - 2011-10-28 20:38:56 UTC
Some pilots do things in certain ways or for certain reasons, that perplex others. MD is no different. Marketeers, bond traders, investors, fund managers, market makers, prediction manipulators good and bad ect, all have a little quirks and reasons for why and how they do things in eve.

Lets take an easy one and say Bonds.

Many outsiders of MD often scratch their heads and ask out loud why? Why do you offer them, Why to you Invest in them?


Next in line is always Scams.

Some are active in the pursuit of the scam. Others avoid the scam at all costs. Then there are the few who skirt the edge in the grey area between the two ends. Why?

Trade Trends?

Here we see manipulations, trend settings, people looking for tips ect. The list can go on....


The funny thing about the markets, and the investments is everyone one in their mind has a valid reason for why they are pro or con for every part of the Trade World in Eve. So why not share your reasons?


Discuss



SH
BornToDieAnotherDay
Tarazed Technology
#2 - 2011-10-29 00:28:40 UTC
Early on in Industry/Trade, more capital can easily be leveraged to increase your income. If I can borrow someones money, and make enough to pay the interest and more for myself, then why not?
Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#3 - 2011-10-29 00:51:21 UTC
[ 2011.XX.XX 00:33:38 ] XXXXX XXXXX > there is no explaining irrationality
[ 2011.XX.XX 00:33:56 ] YYYYY > but the person would have reasons. to them it would seem reasonable
[ 2011.XX.XX 00:34:00 ] YYYYY > or at least entertaining
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-29 01:06:18 UTC
Oh hey, two obvious scammers waxing philosophical about being honerable spacebusinessmen
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
#5 - 2011-10-29 04:18:16 UTC
BornToDieAnotherDay wrote:
Early on in Industry/Trade, more capital can easily be leveraged to increase your income. If I can borrow someones money, and make enough to pay the interest and more for myself, then why not?



So this is a positive reason to seek Isk via bond, loan, or ipo for you.




Mara Villoso wrote:
[ 2011.XX.XX 00:33:38 ] XXXXX XXXXX > there is no explaining irrationality
[ 2011.XX.XX 00:33:56 ] YYYYY > but the person would have reasons. to them it would seem reasonable
[ 2011.XX.XX 00:34:00 ] YYYYY > or at least entertaining



This is mostly true. This is sort of the reason ive made the topic, to discuss why people find what they do as rational, when perhaps others do not.



Elise DarkStar wrote:
Oh hey, two obvious scammers waxing philosophical about being honerable spacebusinessmen



Something seems to be bothering you greatly of late. Though i have not yet put my finger on what.



SH
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-29 06:52:37 UTC
because of utility

lol
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#7 - 2011-10-29 07:04:02 UTC
For fun.

If not that, then I'd argue that you are doing it wrong.
Alain Kinsella
#8 - 2011-10-29 07:17:03 UTC
Because one can? Perhaps even to prove a point?

A friend of mine liked to do things under both of those (the first within SL, the second within Travian). He's flat out said that he won't join here since he knows the first thing he'll do is scam like wild.

"The Meta Game does not stop at the game. Ever."

Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
#9 - 2011-10-29 17:15:12 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
because of utility

lol



Usefulness is always a factor in choosing and setting a goal.



Bad Bobby wrote:
For fun.

If not that, then I'd argue that you are doing it wrong.



I agree that fun is a most important factor, but that is usually a bi-product gained from your other decisions.



Alain Kinsella wrote:
Because one can? Perhaps even to prove a point?

A friend of mine liked to do things under both of those (the first within SL, the second within Travian). He's flat out said that he won't join here since he knows the first thing he'll do is scam like wild.



Now we have something here. Proving a point can be a powerful motivator. Many pilots want to prove something, either to others to to themselves.





Please Continue


SH
Mantra Achura
Stammtisch
#10 - 2011-10-29 18:02:40 UTC
To learn how a market is working and to get to know its constraints.
egola
NSFW federation
#11 - 2011-10-29 18:41:06 UTC
Mantra Achura wrote:
To learn how a market is working and to get to know its constraints.


those threads are rare and few inbetween. its ALWAYS just rep grind threads and collateral-less loans/bonds on these boards.
Woo Glin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-29 19:42:02 UTC
I Pledge 11B
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-10-29 21:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Stealing Honest wrote:
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
because of utility

lol



Usefulness is always a factor in choosing and setting a goal.

utility in that context is not "usefulness" but refers to a much broader concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility


my comment was sarcastic in nature as many people like to refer to utility as if it could explain why some subject prefers one option over another.
"Option A has higher utility than option B (for subject X)" is by definition just a fancy way of saying "Subject X prefers A over B".
Saying "X prefers A over B because A has higher utility than B" is tautological nonsense (which doesn't seem to stop anyone from using it as an argument).


What I tried to say is:
Stealing Honest wrote:
Why do we do the things we do?
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
because they are the best things we could do

(given our preferences, constraints, ...)

sounds nice but doesn't tell you anything.
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-29 22:14:45 UTC
Why we do, whatever we do here?
b/c we all need a reason for this - sitting in front of a monitor.

That was easy.
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
#15 - 2011-10-30 00:58:00 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:

utility in that context is not "usefulness" but refers to a much broader concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility


my comment was sarcastic in nature as many people like to refer to utility as if it could explain why some subject prefers one option over another.
"Option A has higher utility than option B (for subject X)" is by definition just a fancy way of saying "Subject X prefers A over B".
Saying "X prefers A over B because A has higher utility than B" is tautological nonsense (which doesn't seem to stop anyone from using it as an argument).


What I tried to say is:
Stealing Honest wrote:
Why do we do the things we do?
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
because they are the best things we could do

(given our preferences, constraints, ...)

sounds nice but doesn't tell you anything.


Thanks, I'm reading your link and their links now. Sarcastic or not, its a solid answer.





Sola Mercury wrote:
Why we do, whatever we do here?
b/c we all need a reason for this - sitting in front of a monitor.

That was easy.



I can agree that we need value for our time withing game, but i don't think justifying our game time to ourselves is a leading factor in why we act on ideas, themes, or plans in game.




SH