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Dude Wheres My Titan?!?

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Ginger Barbarella
#21 - 2013-03-17 22:19:11 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
The real question is the violation of EULA that allowed someone to log into the holding toons.


Assuming one exists, I agree. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a well-done corp heist by a director.


Or a payment/payoff for something with a chance for some press from someone like EveNews or the disgraced lawyer.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#22 - 2013-03-17 22:26:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
I'd just like to point out that there's a page in Account Management called "Activity Log" which shows the time, date and IP of every instance of the account being logged in. So that's how they got the login stats (assuming the COVEN story to be true!)

https://secure.eveonline.com/LoginHistory.aspx
Josina Higgs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-17 22:55:01 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
I'd just like to point out that there's a page in Account Management called "Activity Log" which shows the time, date and IP of every instance of the account being logged in. So that's how they got the login stats (assuming the COVEN story to be true!)

https://secure.eveonline.com/LoginHistory.aspx

Doesn't that just mean they were account sharing, which is against the EULA? So not only has the dude lost 4 titans, AND made himself look stupid by threatening to get the police involved, AND petitionining to get them back to CCP, he may also now get banned?

Lol.
Strepor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-03-17 22:59:09 UTC
Ths kinda reminds me of that thread where a guy got ganked while doing a courior contract through low sec using bought isk(PLEX) as collateral and claimed to have reported it to the police and his commanding officer in the Army.
Generals4
#25 - 2013-03-17 23:04:33 UTC
Strepor wrote:
Ths kinda reminds me of that thread where a guy got ganked while doing a courior contract through low sec using bought isk(PLEX) as collateral and claimed to have reported it to the police and his commanding officer in the Army.


That's just too pathetic to be true

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#26 - 2013-03-18 00:26:01 UTC
Wescro2 wrote:
Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad.
A whole new low for PansyBears.

Gank 'em if they can't take a joke.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#27 - 2013-03-18 00:34:20 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
I doubt anyone would care about the stolen titans, but (judging by the story) the way they were stolen could definitely put them on the wrong side of the law. I'm not familiar with Polish statutes but in the US, logging into an account without authorization like that could easily put someone on the wrong side of the computer fraud and abuse act.

Nope.

Because no one logged into anyone else's account - Read the whole article.
An insider granted access to the POS; the titans were just sitting there, pilotless. All perfectly within the rules and laws.

Excellent. Twisted

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-03-18 02:06:55 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Strepor wrote:
Ths kinda reminds me of that thread where a guy got ganked while doing a courior contract through low sec using bought isk(PLEX) as collateral and claimed to have reported it to the police and his commanding officer in the Army.


That's just too pathetic to be true


Probably Kai86.

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Pantiy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-03-18 04:12:58 UTC
Wescro2 wrote:
Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad.



I could only imagine how to explain that ....... Think the cops would give a big htfugtfo
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-03-18 04:23:12 UTC
I just thought of something... what about the great Eve bank heist that netted about 750b isk?

Was someone executed for that crime? I mean theft of a virtual country and their entire military? Lol

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#31 - 2013-03-18 09:18:54 UTC
GUYS

We have reports that someone has STOLEN 4 titans in EVE!!!!!

PUNCH IT!
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-03-18 09:22:53 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
GUYS

We have reports that someone has STOLEN 4 titans in EVE!!!!!

PUNCH IT!



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Pepper Mind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-03-18 12:13:28 UTC
He is passing Rancer right now, the suspect might be gatecamping cloaked.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#34 - 2013-03-18 12:46:38 UTC
I podded some dude last night and now Poland has called in an Interpol warrant on me for murder.

Stupid RMT and botting players got their Titans stolen off shared accounts. CCP would be right to ban all accounts related to any IP that those Titans were ever logged into.
Rubenson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-03-19 10:40:46 UTC
Isn't it against rules to give your account credentials to somebody else?
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-03-19 12:05:41 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile



Not the stealing but logging in someone else name is considered illegal in several countries. Where I live its classified as fake personification (any use of other person login and password in any system would be) and can get you up to 2 years in jail. So depending on the laws of that country, that might be something.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#37 - 2013-03-19 13:01:44 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile



Not the stealing but logging in someone else name is considered illegal in several countries. Where I live its classified as fake personification (any use of other person login and password in any system would be) and can get you up to 2 years in jail. So depending on the laws of that country, that might be something.


Cool story, shame these Polish noobs were giving passwords out so that when they were offline their allince could run bots on the account. Sharing accounts is considered RMT you'll get banned for it.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#38 - 2013-03-19 20:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile



Not the stealing but logging in someone else name is considered illegal in several countries. Where I live its classified as fake personification (any use of other person login and password in any system would be) and can get you up to 2 years in jail. So depending on the laws of that country, that might be something.
People still aren't reading the article fully. No unlawful logging took place. Pilots on their own accounts were granted access to the POS by an insider.

No matter how many people are fapping to the idea of law enforcement getting involved, no crime was committed.

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Beachura
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-03-19 21:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Beachura
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile


Doesn't matter what the EULA reads. It's virtual currency and virtual goods.


Of which you don't have any rights of ownership to because you clicked the "I agree" button.


You're missing one small thing.

Account cracking (I'm quoting the UK version of the law, the computer misuse act). :

Under the assumption that account 'cracking' took place: (Obviously if unauthorized account access did not take place this does not apply, but it seems that an accusation of such has been made after reading the article fully. The CEO does accuse the individuals responsible of accessing the account without prior permission.)

There are many variations of this legislation in many countries, all with the baseline principle of ' Unauthorised access to computer material.' or 'Unauthorised access with intent to commit or facilitate commission of further offences.'

(Legisation source: Click Me)

Accessing a computer system either physically or remotely without authorisation is a criminal offence in the United Kingdom and a felony in the united states of america, it also happens to be a fairly serious crime throughout the rest of the world.

I don't know if you've figured this out, but accessing an account that does not belong to you 'without authorisation' falls under this set of legislation and the sentence if convicted whilst not life ending, is not exactly any fun.

I don't understand this mentality of 'pixel spaceships'. The internet is a set of different protocols of tiny data packets being sent from one machine to another, how does the fact that you're using a client to play an online game differ from the legislation that governs the usage of the internet? It doesn't. Attempting to access someone else's eve online account has little difference in comparison to accessing a facebook account without permission, they both hold sensitive and personal information.

Play with your own accounts, using your own gaming rigs. If you stick to that rule falling foul of various legislation is very difficult to do. No shared accounts, no shared passwords. Just play, with your own account, like CCP have specified that are you required to do in order to continue to use their services. Don't be a smart ass, don't argue, just do it.

Play the game, NOT the system.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#40 - 2013-03-19 21:18:53 UTC
Beachura wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile


Doesn't matter what the EULA reads. It's virtual currency and virtual goods.


Of which you don't have any rights of ownership to because you clicked the "I agree" button.


You're missing one small thing.

Account cracking (I'm quoting the UK version of the law, the computer misuse act). :

Under the assumption that account 'cracking' took place: (Obviously if unauthorized account access did not take place this does not apply, but it seems that an accusation of such has been made after reading the article fully. The CEO does accuse the individuals responsible of accessing the account without prior permission.)
People make all kinds of wild accusations, but again - if you did indeed read the article fully, you also know what NCdot is claiming. And what is more plausible? Inside job, or account crack? Especially when parties directly involved are calling it an inside job - And the CEO himself admitted that he wasn't directly involved or even online when it went down.

So why do people keep yammering on about account cracking when that's almost certainly a face-saving fantasy created by the CEO of COVEN?

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