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Russian Roulette - CCP vs. Goonswarm

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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#201 - 2011-10-29 14:00:58 UTC
The Apostle wrote:


PvP'ers DON'T want the change. Why? Cos they''ll ******* die and there's no respawn button.


Fixed for you. It would suck for miners too because right now suicide gankers target the biggest, most expensive and untanked fit barges out there because they know they'll lose their own ships and want to make some money back with their alts scooping/salvaging, but a removal of CONCORD would make every miner a target just for lulz. You never see anyone zapping mining frigs/cruisers in highsec by the way.

I do, however, sometimes think that the game might be better if C-Cord only spawned at stations and gates, that would at least prevent highsec from being locked down by a big enough group like it was in the past, but everyone wouldn't think it meant risk-free money because you could still get attacked out in the boonies.

Sometimes, like when I've had a few Jack Daniels.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#202 - 2011-10-29 14:03:39 UTC
theres no winning for CCP in this. They either let Goons have their fun and do everything they can to "break" EVE

OR

They step in and stop legal, in game, play and set a horrible precidence.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#203 - 2011-10-29 14:35:52 UTC
Nah, they just modify a current stupid mechanic - remove insurance payouts when getting CONCORDED.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#204 - 2011-10-29 15:51:00 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
EXACTLY. So REMOVE Concord, remove gateguns and HTFU.

Didn't I SAY that....???

I also said it'd make no difference to miners.

PvP'ers DON'T want the change. Why? Cos they''ll ******* die.


Why would you want the whole universe being one homogenous mass? That seems like it would make the game way less interesting. The different types of space support different lifestyles. In one fell swoop CCP would be eliminating most of your options for how to play the game. Everybody would have to either quit or choose "peon in a big alliance" as their career. I get that some people really enjoy that role and more power to them, but that's only a fraction of the population that prefers that to all the other options.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2011-10-29 16:17:22 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Nyla Skin wrote:


Do you have any other actual proof of that, besides that one change regarding wardecs?


https://twitter.com/#!/HilmarVeigar/status/121912148896137216

https://twitter.com/#!/ArnarHrafn/status/121939274303143936


Thats nothing actually done, only talk..

Why would you wait until they actually do it. They talked about it. They agreed about the need for it. Since we don't know that they aren't actually working on it ... best to bring it up before it is too late.

Easier to get CCP not to implement something, than it is to get them to unimplement something.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#206 - 2011-10-29 16:27:10 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Nyla Skin wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Nyla Skin wrote:


Do you have any other actual proof of that, besides that one change regarding wardecs?


https://twitter.com/#!/HilmarVeigar/status/121912148896137216

https://twitter.com/#!/ArnarHrafn/status/121939274303143936


Thats nothing actually done, only talk..

Why would you wait until they actually do it. They talked about it. They agreed about the need for it. Since we don't know that they aren't actually working on it ... best to bring it up before it is too late.

Easier to get CCP not to implement something, than it is to get them to unimplement something.


And they impliment everthing they talk about on Twitter? I dont follow them, Im just trying to get some backstory

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2011-10-29 16:33:41 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
And they impliment everthing they talk about on Twitter? I dont follow them, Im just trying to get some backstory

Probably not everything, but likely some ... but why not bring it up as a topic of discussion and get them to explain? Why wait until it's definitely too late?
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#208 - 2011-10-29 17:34:51 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

humm let's try to put it simple:

Test - fleets with coalition enemy =PL

Test/PL fleet find FA fleet at some point

By some mistake (is there only one really?) FA shoots "enemy" : why the heck you fly with the enemy?

Results: internet drama

The ones getting ****** on the process? - FA

Goonswarm? - are having some nice fresh vodka drinks and waiting the end of the process Lol

wrong thread bro. our CFC internet drama is somewhere else.

That sad attempt as calling my alliance crap was like a week before the current round of entertainment.

More true than ever, blue *IS* the new red.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#209 - 2011-10-29 18:49:19 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
And they impliment everthing they talk about on Twitter? I dont follow them, Im just trying to get some backstory

Probably not everything, but likely some ... but why not bring it up as a topic of discussion and get them to explain? Why wait until it's definitely too late?


Do you have ANY precidence to back up that claim?

Quote:
But best to assume they are acting upon that conversation unless they confirm otherwise.


Great quote by the way...

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

tengen san
Triton-TC
#210 - 2011-10-29 23:33:08 UTC
Mittanis Double fail anyway

If you look at the markets stats for the last month in regards of BI, OI you can’t pass to admit the prices were only jumping sporadically in the mid of the month, and descending now again. So the attempt to “destroy” the Eve market already failed to a great length.
That is Fact, period!
What left is a “perma gank” in the Gallente Ice Fields. But even the ganking is not such a great success as it was anticipated; even though they have improved their weaponry, it lacks on consistency to the initial stated goal.

Two thing where neglected in the planning.

1. Since Incursion High sec is better coordinated than it ever was before.
2. Ice miners just move to Amar, Minmatar or Caldari space.

Taking on the whole empire Ice fields at once is a chunk too big to swallow for GS human recourses (pilots) since they have other engagements in the arena of Alliance warfare. The gank is done mostly by 3rd row pilots and spiced with occasional visits of skilled personal.

Their A Plan goal has failed, remains Plan B, screwing around in high sec.

For hardboiled market strategist this all is nothing but a rise of the eyebrow.

So Plan B is than really Plan A!
To stir with CCP it's all short managed just but fits to the twisted personality of "the Mittani", the strategy of sending in a plague of locusts to a handful of Asteroids was to less, too little to created the desired impact at CCP in how the game shall be played.
CONCORD will get a boost; ganking in hig sec. will get more difficult. (Considerations already formulated after Hulkadeggon II ,…so nothing new here) Will it speed up the process? Possible. Is there a need of monitoring by the player base? Of course, since the position of the CSM chairman is hijacked by special interest, a even more critical look is to be taken by the CCP board and the player base in general.



Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#211 - 2011-10-30 00:03:17 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
theres no winning for CCP in this. They either let Goons have their fun and do everything they can to "break" EVE

OR

They step in and stop legal, in game, play and set a horrible precidence.

Either way we win. If it's option one we get to keep farming pubbies in highsec. If it's option two it means we got CCP to break their own game.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#212 - 2011-10-30 00:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
Personally I find this 'Goons control Eve/CCP' meme/conspiracy a bit too tinfoily. Seems to be the sort of thinking that comes from watching too many reruns of the Glenn Beck show in a loop while gatecamping a dead-end system in the drone regions all night long.

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.

Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#213 - 2011-10-30 00:35:29 UTC
tengen san wrote:
If you look at the markets stats for the last month in regards of BI, OI you can’t pass to admit the prices were only jumping sporadically in the mid of the month, and descending now again. So the attempt to “destroy” the Eve market already failed to a great length.


Just in jita alone, about 60 million units of oxygen isotopes are sold per day. The price jumped from about 450 to 900. That means that just in jita, oxygen isotope sellers made about 27 billion ISK per day more than they would have without the campaign. Just guessing, it's probably reasonable to assume that it is in the neighborhood of 100 billion more ISK per day between all the markets.

Anybody who knew of the campaign ahead of time could have bought up a bunch of isotopes in advance. Given how much volume there is, they could have doubled any amount of ISK pretty easily by now. Mittani would have people believe that that never occurred to him/them and that they're just in it for the lulz... That doesn't sound plausible at all to me. Mittani, and whoever else is in on this with him, have almost certainly made trillions off this campaign.

But, "hey everybody, why don't you spend your time and money making me huge profits!" isn't exactly a plan he could have gotten the goon peons behind, and he certainly wouldn't want to have to cut in the people actually doing the work, so he had to come up with something else. What he came up with was the "break eve" and "drive up prices for supercap fuel, hence weakening our enemies" lines. Of course, neither of those hold water. Somebody flying a 15b ship doesn't care about the price of fuel, and one type of POS costing a bit more to run isn't going to "break eve". Duh. But, those are the sorts of rationales that he figured he could get all the goon peons to buy into, so that's what he used.

So, I wouldn't say it was a failure. It was a failure for the peons, but for the folks they take orders from I'm sure it was a huge success.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2011-10-30 20:29:27 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Either way we win. If it's option one we get to keep farming pubbies in highsec. If it's option two it means we got CCP to break their own game.
You're smart because you're so ugly. ;)
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#215 - 2011-10-30 20:31:48 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
theres no winning for CCP in this. They either let Goons have their fun and do everything they can to "break" EVE

OR

They step in and stop legal, in game, play and set a horrible precidence.

Either way we win. If it's option one we get to keep farming pubbies in highsec. If it's option two it means we got CCP to break their own game.


Theres that plan boys n girls

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Phoehnix
Swiss Tax Avoidance Bank Inc
#216 - 2011-10-30 20:37:00 UTC
Oh come on
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#217 - 2011-10-30 20:37:58 UTC
Phoehnix wrote:
Oh come on


Train sarcasm to V

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2011-10-30 20:42:57 UTC
Russian Roulette eh?
Here, let me prep that gun for you. Twisted
draconothese
Independant Celestial Enterprises
#219 - 2011-10-30 20:49:47 UTC
um im lost can i get the short to the point version please
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2011-10-30 20:55:38 UTC
draconothese wrote:
um im lost can i get the short to the point version please

The Fun Part
==========
The Mittani is aiming for the greatest meta-scam of all time. Create enough highsec tears and screaming to force CCP to "fix" the problem, thus screwing the sandbox and the game for good. EVE becomes just another of those MMOs where PvP is optional.

The Serious Part
=============
Hilmar and Zulu have stated that they believe CONCORD needs to be buffed. Wardec policy was also recently changed. Highsec is become increasingly risk-free.