Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Take it Deep is a great name - so incredible that we even have Tshirts that we didn't make ... seriously, some company sells these things and has no connection to us at all

T Shirt image front and back

andd the website? tideep.com

it's not just vulgar anymore

Off topic - I used it because I liked it and sounded interesting in the phrase, not in vulgar sense.

Sorry if offended.

Just because you think there is no more arguments to debate doesn't mean there aren't. I personally don't see any of the potential chaos you're talking about. I think everyone is blowing this way out of proportion and seem to stop only at the "I want to change my name" part without reading how the system could work if that would be allowed.

I repeat some of the suggestions, yet again, and please pay attention to each and think about it carefully this time:

1. SUGGESTION: Character name changes would only be allowed maybe once or twice in the life of a character


2. SUGGESTION: Character name changes would only be allowed once every year (up to the maximum number of renames possible in the life of the character)


3. SUGGESTION: It would cost at least a PLEX or two


4. SUGGESTION: Only characters older than a certain age (i.e. over a year old, or more) would be eligible


5. FACT: All references to a character are done via the character ID (EVE uses a relational database), meaning only the label of the character (display name) would change, not its API key, not its character ID, meaning all relationships would be maintained (contacts, standings, employment history, etc...)


6. SUGGESTION: Previous names would be listed in the Character Sheet, either on a new tab in the Bio, or below the character's name in the Character sheet/info panel, and possibly even in a bracket

There were more suggestions in the thread but I think these are the ones that came back the most from other supporters. That said, please stop stalling on the so called "foundation" that everything in EVE has consequences and that that's just how it is. Although it's true for choices a character has to make in game in terms of who you fight for/with and what skills you decide to train and such, it doesn't have to be everything, especially considering the age of the game and the age of some of the characters.

Nothing is written in stone when it comes to EVE, and this wouldn't be changing any of the core mechanic of the game. None of the counter-arguments that have been presented so far have merit in my eyes. Even though some are valid concerns, I don't believe the impact would be nearly as big as some of you may think.

Oh and by the way, I don't want to change my character's name, I'm just supporting this idea because I've heard more than once from someone else they wish they could change their name for various reasons, and none of them were about their reputation.

Your mama never told you not to judge a book by its cover? I've played several years before and even was in the open beta as another character (Ehxo). This is my 6th account since 2003. I've stopped playing and came back several times, and did a lot of API stuff and programming using the data dumps back then.

Previous characters (all separate accounts):

Ehxo, Drano, Kaylan Jahlar/Keara Jahlar, Marek Jahlar

I currently have this one as well as another one which is active, spread over 2 accounts. I came back this year after the Retribution 1.0 expansion. I have sold the other accounts a long time ago.

Also, given the suggestions presented (limitations), please explain to me how someone would abuse this. It's easy to hammer an idea down with a no saying it would be abused without giving examples of "how" exactly it would be. If we(other supporters) forgot to include something in the suggested limitations, then by all means clarify.

I may not have "vast" experience like 10 years old vets with 90mil skill points, but I am no newbie either (even if this character is new). I don't think I deserve any less of a chance to suggest features and express my opinion. I do however have an IT and programming background and know enough about the EVE database structure for having messed with its dumps more than once to know that this change is easily doable without the impact most of you Nay-sayers seem to fear.

I'm not the one with the condescending elitist "know it all" attitude though... but whatever, we can agree to disagree, no need to start flame wars. I'm just saying that just saying NO is not enough if you don't explain why and present constructive arguments to back your statement.

Now please resume constructive feedback... this is not even my thread, I'm just interested in the suggestion and support it.

Why would your buddy-list be messed up? Whoever was in it will stay in it, but the character who changed his name will show the new name instead. BIG DEAL!? Once you know who it is, it will stay like this for at least another year or forever depending if the player used all of the allowed renames in the life of his character (I've suggested a max of 2).

You also seem to think that everybody will be changing their names at once... This won't happen. Most people will keep their names, so chances are, your precious buddy-list will stay the same anyway.

To compare what you're saying with real life, it's as if you didn't want anyone to be allowed to change their phone number because then you wouldn't be able to tell if it's someone you know or not when they call you...

As for consequences, I don't consider a simple name as a consequence. Actions have consequences, not naming a ship or naming a character. If what you say is really what CCP believes, then why are we even able to change ship names once we've set them?

And I already said I didn't want to change my name... I don't care what it means in German (and by the way it comes from the name generator of he character generation wizard). I like how it sounds and that's not why I'm supporting this suggestion, I just think it should be allowed with proper restrictions and cost.

With some of the stuff that comes up on these forums, yes.

i'm calling horse hockey on this- there's only one valid reason to change a name, you don't like it.

Any suggestion that there are many valid reasons to change a name is garbage, and you know it. The problem is not that wanting to change a name is unsupportable, nor that there are consequences really (there should be and i'm just a stickler for having to lay in the bed you make)- the real reason is that it will be misused and abused.

Now since we all MUST be able to agree on both of those points, not liking a name is the only real reason to change it, and being able to change a name will be misused- we can all just go back to having the names we have and drop this stupid thread already.

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quoting is hardly ignoring there sugarbritches... and my style of writing is consistent because my ::awesome:: is great

However, since you must be coddled to little fella, awwww- i'm so sorry to have stated fact in a straightforward sort of a way that runs counter to your belief of this subject in particular.

The answer is still NO

but you're more than welcome to continue to attempt to sway me with your sarcasm and vast experience.

I'm pretty certain this would be in the game already if CCP weren't worried what kind of tantrum the playerbase would throw this time and how many people would actually quit.