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True Solo PvP

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Osiris Ettnie
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#1 - 2013-03-19 13:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Osiris Ettnie
Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-03-19 14:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Osiris Ettnie wrote:
Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.



Soloing regularly in a BC without scouts/links is totally not viable unless (Racial expletive removed. - ISD Cyberdyne). Even the really good players that do this hardly manage to break a 50% isk efficiency doing it.. Even a cruiser is difficult. I would just go all the way down to frigs and dessies for 90% of the solo and bringing out bigger stuff for an occasional change of pace.

Less frustration, less isk cost (LESS DREADED PVE)

Its fun.


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monkfish2345
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-03-19 14:52:00 UTC
Something to understand is that for all the great videos players put out. they may contain maybe 5 or 6 fights which are watchable, but are a results of probably hundreds of fights mostly getting ganked, unless it is done with scouting / boosting.

As far as sec goes, your gonna screw yourself pretty hard if you only want to fight in low sec, because if you engage, people will run. if they engage they pretty much know they will win, usually with help just around the corner.
i'd suggest you'd probably have more luck trying to use something smaller and going out into 0.0 and trying to pick off randoms.

personally when i have done this i go in a blarpy, but it's been a while since i felt the need.
Captain Sage
Garoun Investment Bank
#4 - 2013-03-19 15:08:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cyberdyne
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Osiris Ettnie wrote:
Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.



Soloing regularly in a BC without scouts/links is totally not viable unless (Racial expletive removed. - ISD Cyberdyne). Even the really good players that do this hardly manage to break a 50% isk efficiency doing it.. Even a cruiser is difficult. I would just go all the way down to frigs and dessies for 90% of the solo and bringing out bigger stuff for an occasional change of pace.

Less frustration, less isk cost (LESS DREADED PVE)

Its fun.


I agree with this. You can have loads of fun in a Frig. My favourite ever kill was when I was solo in a Taranis, I spotted a Geddon in a belt in D-Scan and was convinced it was bait but I went for it anyway. I warped in, got under his guns and proceeded to hammer away at his buffer tank. His drones had me in structure as he finally popped. Throughout the whole engagement I was spamming D-Scan expecting the blob, it never came. We both had a chat and a laugh afterwards.

It was just good fun, but I admit it was a few years ago and finding solo targets is becoming harder and harder.

Fear my pets!!

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#5 - 2013-03-19 15:21:06 UTC
True solo is hard to come by. Proliferation of OGB has nearly killed it off.

nom nom

Kobalos
Carebears -With- Guns
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-03-19 15:57:50 UTC
I'm new to PvP and I solo almost exclusively, as I'm not on very consistently.

1st - Get out of the BC's...unless you still need to learn that there are people in frigs and dessies that are going to lock you down and wreck your day.
2cnd - be sure you can properly fit at least t1 frigs and dessies.
3rd - while you are doing the above - take a look at some youtube PvP vids. I think there is one that is called eveiseasy or something like that. In any event, look and see what other PvPers do to win. You might not be able to kite well enough to split up a small blob and pick off the weaklings, but you can at least see what they do and you can both have something to emulate and you know what to avoid.
4th - be prepared to loose lots of ships learning. You should be able to walk away from every fight and reflect on something that you could have done better. I have noticed, personally, that most of my losses have very little to do with my ship or my ability to fly it. Rather, almost 100% of my losses have been because of a mistake I made personally before combat was ever engaged. To facilitate this, when possible talk to the person that popped you. Not everyone will want to talk with you, but if you are amiable and good natured there are plenty of folks that are happy to tell you what they leveraged against you to score the kill. At least, that has been my experience.

I hope that helps.

Fly Dangerously and With a Vengeance!

- Kobalos
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-03-19 15:59:18 UTC
monkfish2345 wrote:
Something to understand is that for all the great videos players put out. they may contain maybe 5 or 6 fights which are watchable, but are a results of probably hundreds of fights mostly getting ganked, unless it is done with scouting / boosting.

As far as sec goes, your gonna screw yourself pretty hard if you only want to fight in low sec, because if you engage, people will run. if they engage they pretty much know they will win, usually with help just around the corner.
i'd suggest you'd probably have more luck trying to use something smaller and going out into 0.0 and trying to pick off randoms.

personally when i have done this i go in a blarpy, but it's been a while since i felt the need.



Suggesting that 0.0 has a lower number of blob bads...

If you're doing frigs/dessies low sec is the place to be,

for Bc's though it might be better going null.

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Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-03-19 16:02:56 UTC
I'd recommend checking out FW space , preferrably in a frigate sized ship , plenty of opportunity for fights.
Also , use the map setting that allows you to see average number of pilot in last 30 minutes , makes it a lot easier to get fights.

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Kobalos
Carebears -With- Guns
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-03-19 16:29:51 UTC
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
I'd recommend checking out FW space , preferrably in a frigate sized ship , plenty of opportunity for fights.
Also , use the map setting that allows you to see average number of pilot in last 30 minutes , makes it a lot easier to get fights.


I'm sorry - Did I fail to mention in my wall of text that I was doing FW? lol ^^^ FW is good. Twisted
Ginger Barbarella
#10 - 2013-03-19 16:56:00 UTC
Osiris Ettnie wrote:
Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.


Join FW, fly frigates or dessies. Plenty of one-on-one fights to be had; you just have to choose carefully and not be afraid to run or not engage if too many reds appear.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#11 - 2013-03-19 19:28:46 UTC
I been soloing pretty much since I started playing eve.
It is not as easy as it used to be but still possible.
Have to pick your targets.

Rules:
1. You will lose a ship
2. You will get podded
3. You will get blobed or ganked up on.
4. You will run into gate camps
5. there will worse pilots than you
6. there will be better pilots than you

So I get in a ship I can afford to lose, no implants and go out have fun.
Sometimes I get some nice kills and GF, sometimes get killed and podded home.
I used to fly a cynabal, can't afford to lose that anymore and dont look good on KB.
Now I fly AF's, detroyers ,faction frigs even SB sometimes too. Each engagement I figure out if i either did something wrong or I was just plain beat.

Only thing I suggest is setup your settings to what ship your are flying before hand, orbit, keep from distance, ammo etc.
then u see target make decision to fight or run
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#12 - 2013-03-19 20:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Osiris Ettnie wrote:
Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.


I fly true solo.

I use faction war plexes to get fights. It is better then ever in my 4 years of eve.

I mainly fly frigates but some cruisers and destroyers.

I am not in faction war that way I can shoot both sides. Since leaving fw I have had a very substantial increase in the amount of pvp I get at plexes.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Osiris Ettnie
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#13 - 2013-03-20 07:15:39 UTC
thx guys a lot of good info you guys dished out i think in my post i sounded kinda newbish im not a newb btw lol ive been PvPing for about two and a half years now i think what my biggest problem is like a lot of you said is ship class im thinking they just bring to much attention to myself people see a 100mill kill mail and will do anything to get it i would problably do the same. Ive gotten a few goodfights in my time and just wanted more but i guess im expecting alot lol just frustrating losing a BC after roaming in null or low for 3 hours getting a kill or two hoping to make up for your loss you know is going to happen
Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#14 - 2013-03-20 08:11:11 UTC
Faction Warfare is the new sexy.

And by sexy, I mean awesome small-scale PVP, be it solo or small-gang. Most of the fights you find are frig+dessie, but a lot of times fights escalate up to BC's and whatnot, which makes a lot of fights a lot more enjoyable and emergent. Plus, if you plex offensively while you go a'roaming, you can not only get yourself free ships (relatively speaking), but you can also find constant PVP.

Just keep a weather-eye on dscan while you do it though, it's not fun getting gangbanged by your enemy's fleet.

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#15 - 2013-03-20 09:57:39 UTC
It works for me. Had some fun soloing around. Most soloers i know try to fly ships which allow them to disengage early in the fight. Ships which can dictate range increase your survivability.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Fagotine Saisima
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-20 15:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Fagotine Saisima
The main thing ruining solo-pvp in this game isn't blobbing it's ECM. I honestly have no idea what CCP was thinking when they developed ECM. It makes you unable to fight back. A mechanic that's preventing fights is a broken mechanic in my opinion. Solo-PvP was the only thing still giving me satisfaction in this game. It was the only thing giving me intense fights and I still get that occasionally, but most of the time I end up being permajammed and dying with only a few seconds of me fighting back. I've died countless times with my main being permajammed while me frantically trying to lock something before dying, unsuccessfully. Even just a frig can take out pretty much anything when he's got a friendly falcon 70km away. You won't have time to kill anything if he miss an ECM-cycle until you get jammed again the next cycle.

Sure I can stop whining and fit a couple of ECCM-mods (because only 1 doesn't do it, believe me I've tried). This will totatlly nerf whatever ship I intend to fly. Or I could just stop paying the subs I've been paying since 2006. I recently had a 3 month break from the game and just came back. Blob-warfare isn't fun to me. I only get satisfaction from skirmish and solo-roaming. If I go on another hiatus from EVE I fear I won't find the motivation to return. Small scale and solo-pvp has been neglected for too long. Like I said in the opening ECM is the number one reason preventing good fights when solo.

CCP should remove ECM from the game entirely. It's a broken mechanic which is preventing fights.
Osiris Ettnie
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#17 - 2013-03-20 17:21:20 UTC
Fagotine Saisima wrote:
The main thing ruining solo-pvp in this game isn't blobbing it's ECM. I honestly have no idea what CCP was thinking when they developed ECM. It makes you unable to fight back. A mechanic that's preventing fights is a broken mechanic in my opinion. Solo-PvP was the only thing still giving me satisfaction in this game. It was the only thing giving me intense fights and I still get that occasionally, but most of the time I end up being permajammed and dying with only a few seconds of me fighting back. I've died countless times with my main being permajammed while me frantically trying to lock something before dying, unsuccessfully. Even just a frig can take out pretty much anything when he's got a friendly falcon 70km away. You won't have time to kill anything if he miss an ECM-cycle until you get jammed again the next cycle.

Sure I can stop whining and fit a couple of ECCM-mods (because only 1 doesn't do it, believe me I've tried). This will totatlly nerf whatever ship I intend to fly. Or I could just stop paying the subs I've been paying since 2006. I recently had a 3 month break from the game and just came back. Blob-warfare isn't fun to me. I only get satisfaction from skirmish and solo-roaming. If I go on another hiatus from EVE I fear I won't find the motivation to return. Small scale and solo-pvp has been neglected for too long. Like I said in the opening ECM is the number one reason preventing good fights when solo.

CCP should remove ECM from the game entirely. It's a broken mechanic which is preventing fights.



I agree ECM is over powering but i don't think it should be removed from the game i believe the biggest flaw in ECM is range the fact that you can be jammed over 100km away with a good falcon pilot is bullshit the fact that he doesn't have to be in the fight but yet can have such a large influence on it is just rediculous
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#18 - 2013-03-20 18:47:51 UTC
It's still possible but it's the hardest thing you could hope to do in the game. Dying 'unfairly' is common and more or less unavoidable.

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Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-03-22 06:28:08 UTC
from my humble experience, solo pvp in bc in lowsec will get you blobbed 90% of the times, and if you starting I would suggest go with frigates /dessies, you can have alot of fun with those and only be 50% blobbedRoll
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-03-22 10:50:04 UTC
Singularity gives me my pvp fix because as has been stated above engagements are just too random for me.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.

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