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[AISA] Time for Action: Gen. Kartaka's Comments, CONCORD action needed.

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Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-03-18 23:19:57 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:


I wonder how many 102 story towers there are on Luminaire VI?

Two can play this game.

Very unwise.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#22 - 2013-03-19 00:52:22 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Edaine Numenor wrote:


I wonder how many 102 story towers there are on Luminaire VI?

Two can play this game.

Very unwise.


Hm. Why not ask how many 102 story towers are military HQs for Gallente organizations occupying worlds and purging their Caldari populations? Oh, probably because that number would be zero.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#23 - 2013-03-19 01:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Nothing in that statement arrives at the conclusion of ethnic cleansing. Soter, you should be ashamed to feed this sensationalism muck.

** Amended post for discrepancies

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#24 - 2013-03-19 01:23:00 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Nothing in that statement arrives at the conclusion of ethnic cleansing. Soter, you should be ashamed to feed this sensationalism muck.

** Amended post for discrepancies


General Kartaka wrote:
He concluded his press conference by stating that “there will always be those dissenters who seek to cause ripples in smooth waters. The fact of the matter is that the land beneath our feet is the ancestral home world of the Caldari people, and the Caldari Provincial Directorate is here to stay. We will keep our home secure at all costs, even if doing so means the removal of all Gallente influence from Caldari Prime.”


Barely veiled Caldari supremecism.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#25 - 2013-03-19 01:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Raholan
While the events taking place on Caldari Prime and around the Gallente-Caldari Border Zone are appalling CONCORD has no remit over this situation, their purpose is to govern us capsuleers and space-lanes, they have authority over planetside actions and therefore cannot intervene as per Soter's request

I see no indication in the linked article that seems to indicate the Provist's want to exterminate all Gallente Citizens on Caldari Prime and do not fully understand why Soter would request CONCORD's intervention.

This does not mean I agree with Heth's and his thugs actions indeed I completely disagree with them, it is a shame to see an ally of the Amarr Empire being lead so far astray by a mad man, however until the Yulai Convention gets broken there is little CONCORD can do, I suggest you send your requests in the direction of the Fed Navy and the FIO.

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#26 - 2013-03-19 01:28:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Julianus Soter wrote:

General Kartaka wrote:
He concluded his press conference by stating that “there will always be those dissenters who seek to cause ripples in smooth waters. The fact of the matter is that the land beneath our feet is the ancestral home world of the Caldari people, and the Caldari Provincial Directorate is here to stay. We will keep our home secure at all costs, even if doing so means the removal of all Gallente influence from Caldari Prime.”


Barely veiled Caldari supremecism.


Might I point you to your Mentas Blaque in retort who is very publicly known for his sentiment that only ethnic Gallente should rule the governing body of the Federation.

Supremecism does not equate to genocide nor ethnic cleansing and like it or not we all have them and you shouldn't be slinging this smut, it does you a great disservice.

It is known that most Caldari believe in the superiority of our culture, all you have to do is ask one. That does not mean we support the genocide or subjugation of another race.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#27 - 2013-03-19 01:45:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre
Lucas Raholan wrote:
While the events taking place on Caldari Prime and around the Gallente-Caldari Border Zone are appalling CONCORD has no remit over this situation, their purpose is to govern us capsuleers and space-lanes, they have authority over planetside actions and therefore cannot intervene as per Soter's request


Unfortunately, correct. The DED only has jurisdiction in space except in very specific cases where they are permitted to operate either Stationside, or Planetside. Even in those exceptional cases, their authority is very specifically limited.

I foresee that the situation on Caldari Prime will continue to deteriorate rapidly. I can understand the wisdom in appealing for a neutral party to step in to attempt to keep the peace, however I do not believe CONCORD is legally able to act in this role without agreement from the Empires to grant authority to CONCORD to perform Peacekeeping duties on Contested worlds.

And I cannot see all the Empires agreeing to that without heavy restrictions on the limits of CONCORD's authority in that role. At which point, if they're effectively going in blindfolded and with their hands tied, it's pointless them even being there.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-03-19 02:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Julianus Soter wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Nothing in that statement arrives at the conclusion of ethnic cleansing. Soter, you should be ashamed to feed this sensationalism muck.

** Amended post for discrepancies


General Kartaka wrote:
He concluded his press conference by stating that “there will always be those dissenters who seek to cause ripples in smooth waters. The fact of the matter is that the land beneath our feet is the ancestral home world of the Caldari people, and the Caldari Provincial Directorate is here to stay. We will keep our home secure at all costs, even if doing so means the removal of all Gallente influence from Caldari Prime.”


Barely veiled Caldari supremecism.


Stop being so thick headed, I already pointed out that you misread what the late General said.

Mentas Blaque may be a little outspoken regarding foreign policy, but he hits it dead on with internal affairs. Gallente society as a whole is rapidly degenerating due to our hedonistic ways.

For the last time, he wanted to remove Gallente influence as in bring the planet under total Caldari control! Not exterminate Gallente citizens!

Pure idiocy like this from the people of my beloved Federation is why I consider myself very lucky to only be half Gallente. Do you want me to speak slower or use smaller words?

EDIT: Forgive my outburst but my point still stands. Your claims are completely incorrect and you are spreading ill words about the State in doing so. I can forgive you for simply misreading what the late General said, however, you continued to insist your original claims.

This isn't even debatable, it is very clear genocide was not his intent nor the intent of the Caldari State. I hate to say this, but Tibus Heth's claims of genocidal Gallente death squads are more credible than your claims of genocide right now. Hopefully Heth will be proven wrong as you already have.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#29 - 2013-03-19 03:01:59 UTC
Arve Vesren wrote:
The position of the CONCORD Assembly is quite clear. This is a territorial dispute between the Caldari State and Gallente Federation that CONCORD will not become involved in with regards to offensive military action unless either party breaches the Yulai Convention.


This is amusing. DED can either step in and handle the situation now or wait and try to break an even bigger fight later. One thing is for certain, though, and that is that you guys aren't going to be able to lawyer your way out of this forever, and the longer you drag your feet the harder it's going to be for you once you finally get pushed up to the plate.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#30 - 2013-03-19 04:56:25 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:

General Kartaka wrote:
He concluded his press conference by stating that “there will always be those dissenters who seek to cause ripples in smooth waters. The fact of the matter is that the land beneath our feet is the ancestral home world of the Caldari people, and the Caldari Provincial Directorate is here to stay. We will keep our home secure at all costs, even if doing so means the removal of all Gallente influence from Caldari Prime.”


Barely veiled Caldari supremecism.


Might I point you to your Mentas Blaque in retort who is very publicly known for his sentiment that only ethnic Gallente should rule the governing body of the Federation.

Supremecism does not equate to genocide nor ethnic cleansing and like it or not we all have them and you shouldn't be slinging this smut, it does you a great disservice.

It is known that most Caldari believe in the superiority of our culture, all you have to do is ask one. That does not mean we support the genocide or subjugation of another race.



Mentas Blaque is not the commander in direct control of a military occupational force holding the power of life and death explicitly over millions of Caldari living under his jurisdiction. General Kartaka was, and his position, along with the context of his statements, makes his meaning plain. Since when have the Caldari Providence Directorate treated "Gallente influence" in any way gently? What else could "at all costs" possibly mean if not the ultimate cost of the lives of the people he's talking about? This comes furthermore after the CPD has proven itself perfectly willing to murder its own citizens for "causing ripples." Are we truely to expect that our Gallente brothers and sisters should expect better treatment than citizens of Kaalakiota?

You are equivocating in the face of the possibility of monstrous acts. Perhaps those of us under the [AISA] banner are overreacting in this case, but I can't imagine looking my loved ones in the face if we failed to act forcefully enough.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#31 - 2013-03-19 05:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Rinai Vero wrote:

Mentas Blaque is not the commander in direct control of a military occupational force holding the power of life and death explicitly over millions of Caldari living under his jurisdiction. General Kartaka was, and his position, along with the context of his statements, makes his meaning plain. Since when have the Caldari Providence Directorate treated "Gallente influence" in any way gently? What else could "at all costs" possibly mean if not the ultimate cost of the lives of the people he's talking about? This comes furthermore after the CPD has proven itself perfectly willing to murder its own citizens for "causing ripples." Are we truely to expect that our Gallente brothers and sisters should expect better treatment than citizens of Kaalakiota?

You are equivocating in the face of the possibility of monstrous acts. Perhaps those of us under the [AISA] banner are overreacting in this case, but I can't imagine looking my loved ones in the face if we failed to act forcefully enough.


Mentas Blauqe is a the head of a covert military unit with unprecedented access to every Federation asset available and the tools and rite to carry out the protection of the Federation by any means necessary. He's also a very powerful politician and presidential hopeful. You would do best not diminish him compared to a mere brigadier General Ms. Vero. Blaque has far more influence and power than General Kartaka.

The context and meaning of his statements are indeed very plain, but not in the voice your CEO is attempting to cast them in. I greatly respect your attempt at peace Ms. Vero, I want to make that abundantly clear, but this is not helping. What Kartaka-haan says is what is expected of every single Caldari out there from the Liberals to the Patriots. Myself included.

You should prepare to the worst Ms. Vero, but that doesn't include creating a monster where there is none. It only makes your organization look like war mongers and the recent statements released by Mr. Soter encouraging acts like the ones perpetrated in the article do nothing but back that up. These kind of statements are what leads radical governments to do radical things.

The more unrest you stir and the more spin you put on these news releases will only lead to more death. I wish those wise enough to see that in your organization would speak out against such foolishness.

The following cannot be truer, I hope Tuulinen-haan doens't mind me quoting him.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

If things continue the way they are going, there will be no need for death squads, imaginary or not, Gallente or otherwise. Holding onto Home is the only thing that has kept the CPD in power for the last five years - if it is lost, taking it back will keep Heth and his successors in power forever.

Forever.

And whatever happens to Home in the process of losing it will become the new defacto standard for the war, going forward.

I cannot articulate my concerns sufficiently.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-03-19 05:31:37 UTC
The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.

The best is yet to come however.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Shun Makoto
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-19 05:33:02 UTC
For the love of the Taisaanat people, will you listen to yourselves?! Caldari Prime has witnessed more then enough bloodshed for a lifetime! Tibus Heth and his radicals have had their chance, this is now a matter for the entire State to rectify. For the betterment of the State this situation must be resolved!

Kaalakiota-Kaatso Taokeruu Kaltiovon ArK. (Kalaakiota Business Research Corporation)

Head of Security

...................................

Kaalakiota Corporation

Patriot Faction

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-03-19 07:01:40 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.

The best is yet to come however.



I'm certain the biggest shock has yet to come. I wonder whether you will gloat after it is done?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-03-19 08:54:42 UTC
Let's all take a nice step back from our respective ledges. Right now this smacks of nothing more than adolescent primates hurling radioactive poo at each other and comparing their respective genital organs. It also reminds me of an incident at my training depot, two teenage NCOs were walking up to a live wire in a game of chicken, with the winner claiming sole rights for something or other, I forget what. Apparently whatever it was was fairly important to both of them since they both touched said live wire.
Whoever would have thought Cadets could be buried with full military honours.
My point is this, for those of you of a TL;CR persuasion. If both Caldari and Gallente continue to approach the live wire then both of you will no doubt get a rather nasty jolt.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-03-19 10:17:18 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'm certain the biggest shock has yet to come. I wonder whether you will gloat after it is done?

There'll be nothing left to gloat over when this is done.

I'll make sure of it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#37 - 2013-03-19 10:31:07 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.

The best is yet to come however.



The tone of your message couldn't be any less appropriate during these solemn times.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It is YOU who have forced this man's hand. It is YOU who have damaged this dam until it is at breaking point. You have been warned time and time again what will happen if you keep pushing.

Winds damn you for making us do this.


Let it be known that the Caldari took no joy in their actions when both sides were pushed to the breaking point, yet carried out their duty regardless.

I wish the same could be said for our old friends. The Gallente seem more than eager to spread destruction and death throughout the streets of our Home.

These are sad events indeed.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-03-19 10:34:52 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Let it be known that the Caldari took no joy in their actions when both sides were pushed to the breaking point, yet carried out their duty regardless.

And prattled about it endlessly.

Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
I wish the same could be said for our old friends. The Gallente seem more than eager to spread destruction and death throughout the streets of our Home.

It isn't your home.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#39 - 2013-03-19 10:40:03 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

And prattled about it endlessly.


I try to be as concise as possible. I often fail. My apologies.



Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-19 11:32:01 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Nothing in that statement arrives at the conclusion of ethnic cleansing. Soter, you should be ashamed to feed this sensationalism muck.

** Amended post for discrepancies


General Kartaka wrote:
He concluded his press conference by stating that “there will always be those dissenters who seek to cause ripples in smooth waters. The fact of the matter is that the land beneath our feet is the ancestral home world of the Caldari people, and the Caldari Provincial Directorate is here to stay. We will keep our home secure at all costs, even if doing so means the removal of all Gallente influence from Caldari Prime.”


Barely veiled Caldari supremecism.


With all due respect Monsieur Soter, you are interjecting your own inferences into the words of the (apparently now late) general. For all your verbosity, it is you who plays the villain and sound the drums of war.