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SCOPE NEWS REPORT: Provist HQ on Caldari Prime Destroyed! Existence of Death Squads confirmed!
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Shun Makoto
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-03-19 05:43:01 UTC
While I have no love for the Provists, this is unfortunate. Did the terrorists who committed this act even both to think how many innocents might be in that tower before committing such a horrific act?

Kaalakiota-Kaatso Taokeruu Kaltiovon ArK. (Kalaakiota Business Research Corporation)

Head of Security

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Kaalakiota Corporation

Patriot Faction
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-19 05:50:55 UTC
imb4 nouvelle rouvenor

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-03-19 05:59:29 UTC
Perhaps this is why you only attack when you have a moral code, and an advantage. Otherwise you end up dead after a few choice words were made to insult your rivals.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#24 - 2013-03-19 06:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Mekhana wrote:
Yes, we support terrorists. We just don't think they are terrorists.


Noted.

Katrina Oniseki
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-03-19 06:32:47 UTC
Stop playing the victim, it is unbecoming of you.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2013-03-19 06:36:48 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Stop playing the victim, it is unbecoming of you.


It is no matter. We have made our decision based on your response.

Katrina Oniseki
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-03-19 06:39:00 UTC
Excellent. I look forward to it.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-03-19 07:40:04 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
No terrorism here I'm afraid. It was a successful attack at a military building and personnel. This wasn't the work of terrorists, this was the work of freedom fighters fighting for their homes and families. it was an at of insurgency.

If this had happened years ago before the planet was taken hostage and the building was a mere embassy then the terrorism label would apply.

The headquarters of the occupational forces was filled with enemy combatants, had strategic military value and was a juicy target.


And the non-combatants that make up over half the deaths? Your own people?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#29 - 2013-03-19 08:07:34 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
STRIKE!

give them what they deserve. Gals!

DEATH TO THE SQUIDS.


The Scope Galactic News Network would like to apologize to all our viewers for the sudden break in of a druken Militaman on station leave.



Shut up you media ****. Go on hide in some warm studio in saftey and do your news posting while the real man do the job. Like the Gals on Luminaire did!

DEATH TO THE SQUIDS!
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-03-19 09:25:55 UTC
I see the Galmil is up to it's usual shining standard.

Acts like these are a beacon to the Caldari people, uniting us in the face of oppression and the homogeny of Federal rule. Whether this will be enough? I am not qualified to say. But it is my sincere hope that as Caldari, as concerned citizens, we can put aside our intra-national factionalism for long enough to give a good account for ourselves, should this situation devolve to the point where our intervention is a foregone conclusion.

CONCORD has rightly sworn off of involvement at present, and rightly so. This will be decided by strength of arms, dedication and a firm grasp of your own ideals.

To the Federation citizens in this thread; you shouldn't have thrown your hand down this early. Trouble at home will not get in the way of Caldari working together against an external threat. We're Caldari. 'Trouble at home' is a day in the life of - intra-factional conflict is a way of life, though admittedly not usually on the scale and intensity seen recently. As I have said, we may not prevail, but you'd have paid a lesser toll in blood and tritanium-alloys than you will as a response to this heavy handed posturing.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer
Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
#31 - 2013-03-19 09:40:27 UTC
Aelisha wrote:

To the Federation citizens in this thread; you shouldn't have thrown your hand down this early.


Really?

First, while Federal citizens may have carried out this attack, the idea that all Federal citizens were in on it is, well, insane. Second, this is unlikely to be a grand plot of the government; it looks an awful lot more like the State has been encountering resistance on the ground from the people it is holding planet-bound. This is unsurprising; Caldari partisans did much the same a couple centuries ago. If you hate us for our sins, I suggest you learn from our mistakes.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-03-19 12:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Mr. Tuulinen,

The news report makes no such claims. Hard to believe too, unless the Caldari are the kind of guys that allow civilians (non State civilians at that) to roam their headquarters freely. Although I expect collateral damage considering the target was in a densely urban environment, Federation body count would be nowhere that high.

That is all.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2013-03-19 12:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Simon Coal wrote:
Aelisha wrote:

To the Federation citizens in this thread; you shouldn't have thrown your hand down this early.


Really?

First, while Federal citizens may have carried out this attack, the idea that all Federal citizens were in on it is, well, insane. Second, this is unlikely to be a grand plot of the government; it looks an awful lot more like the State has been encountering resistance on the ground from the people it is holding planet-bound. This is unsurprising; Caldari partisans did much the same a couple centuries ago. If you hate us for our sins, I suggest you learn from our mistakes.


I did not suggest that everyone was in on it, nor that it was a government plot, only that such actions are premature and negate any advantage that would have been gained by allowing factionalism born of recent activities in the State to take root.

As for the partisan activity, it is likely that propaganda and other elements have been smuggled in, it is no coincidence that the appearance of mercenaries in both State and Federation employ have precipitated this situation. If military hardware can be placed on the surface, so can violent coercion be pursued or manipulation of vulnerable, scared communities be engaged in.

As the Galmil has proven time and time again - you don't need a stamp of approval from your local senator to get X, Y or Z declared 'in the interests of the Federation' if your target audience is blood-hungry or scared enough to go along with it. Considering the competence of the Federal administration, it is likely playing catch up to the ill-advised but well-executed attempts to stoke the fire that notable factions and individuals have no doubt been engaging in.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer
Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
#34 - 2013-03-19 12:37:34 UTC
If everyone isn't in on it, and it wasn't a government plot, then surely there is no reason to address Federal citizens and tell them all that they threw their hand down too early.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-03-19 12:38:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
It is addressed to Federation citizens "in this thread" because that is who I am addressing with the point. It really isn't that hard to understand.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-03-19 12:39:46 UTC
Nothing good will come of this.

This is not an activity to be lauded with praise and rallying cries of "fight on," this was an act of terrorism. Terrorism is not limited to non-military targets Mlle. Mekhana. Terrorism is any use of violence or threats to coerce or intimidate, especially for political reasons. If you claim it was an act of insurgency, imagine the number of civilians now in danger because a group of insurgents decided to bomb a military headquarters.

These kinds of actions will make the situation even worse for those living on Caldari Prime, Caldari and Gallente alike.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-03-19 16:12:44 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
No terrorism here I'm afraid. It was a successful attack at a military building and personnel. This wasn't the work of terrorists, this was the work of freedom fighters fighting for their homes and families. it was an at of insurgency.

If this had happened years ago before the planet was taken hostage and the building was a mere embassy then the terrorism label would apply.

The headquarters of the occupational forces was filled with enemy combatants, had strategic military value and was a juicy target.


And the non-combatants that make up over half the deaths? Your own people?


More than half. That tower collapsed onto an adjacent tower.

The target building was hit after hours ( 9:30 PM local ), and was mostly full of low level staff that late in the evening.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-03-19 16:15:26 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:


If the Federation is responsible for such atrocities, we will most likely conduct investigations and trials within our own country. However, I am sure the Federal Government would be willing to negotiate the turn over of these terrorist and murderers once apprehended.

If you are hoping for reparations however, I don't believe you will get very far in your demands. If it is confirmed that these acts were committed by groups that are not directly affiliated with any entity within the Federal Government then we don't owe you anything but our condolences.


So, if a 102 story building on Gallente Prime happens to topple, and terrorists responsible are discovered to be hiding in the State, you will be OK with a strictly Caldari judicial review of the matter?

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-03-19 16:17:49 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:



Shut up you media ****. Go on hide in some warm studio in saftey and do your news posting while the real man do the job. Like the Gals on Luminaire did!

DEATH TO THE SQUIDS!


I find this Gallente admission that this was a deliberate act of war to be refreshingly honest.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-19 16:30:57 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:

I find this Gallente admission that this was a deliberate act of war to be refreshingly honest.



How about we not let one individual speak for the entirety, hm? Particularly one as...terse as this one.