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100 Million ISK to Kill a Freighter in Highsec

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#1 - 2013-03-19 04:25:09 UTC
Hello all,

I am a suicide ganker. Since the last hulkageddon, I have been perfecting the art.

My setup of choice today looks like this:

[Catalyst, Catalyst - T1 Suicide Ganker]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

Sensor Booster I, Scan Resolution Script or Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I (requires perfect fittings, CPU issue)
Sensor Booster I, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
[empty rig slot]

I prefer this setup due to the cost being roughly 2 mil. When a T2-fit catalyst easily costs 5 times more for not even twice the DPS, this ship becomes a clear winner when you can bring more people.

I have been using this setup for some time now, practicing on mining barges and exhumers:
- Untanked Covetors can die to a single T1 catalyst in a 0.6, might even get the pod if skills are maxed (avg loot 5-15 mil).
- Retrievers with low-to-moderate tank can easily be killed with two T1 catalysts (avg loot 5-10 mil).
- Untanked Hulks can just barely be killed with two T1 catalysts in a 0.6 (avg loot 10-40 mil).
- Link to our killboard, feel free to check the last two months for confirmation of these numbers.

I did some number crunching concerning freighters and jump freighters:

EHPs Against Caldari Navy Antimatter with level 5 skills (no implants):

Providence - 192124
Charon - 181288
Obelisk - 202988
Fenrir - 172790

Ark - 345824
Rhea - 329735
Anshar - 371146
Nomad - 311021

T1 catalyst overheated volley: 830 (418 dps)

(1.0 - 0.9) 3 volleys = 2490
(0.8 - 0.7) 5 volleys = 4150
(0.6 - 0.5) 8 volleys = 6640

Amount of Catalysts needed (3 / 5 / 8 volleys):

Providence - 77 / 46 / 29
Charon - 73 / 43 / 27
Obelisk - 82 / 49 / 31
Fenrir - 69 / 42 / 26

Ark - 139 / 83 / 52
Rhea - 132 / 79 / 50
Anshar - 149 / 89 / 56
Nomad - 125 / 75 / 47

What have we learned:

1) Aim Minmatar, avoid Gallente
2) Taking variables into account, 50 catalysts (~100 mil) to gank a freighter in 0.5
2) Taking variables into account, 75 catalysts (~150 mil) to gank a jump freighter in 0.5

I am already manufacturing 500+ such catalysts per month. EVE mail me in-game if interested and await further instructions. Feel free to help me optimize further or provide me your most delicious tears.
Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-03-19 04:49:37 UTC
I should train another alt....
Zhade Lezte
#3 - 2013-03-19 04:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
Man we occasionally have trouble getting enough people in highsec to gank freighters and jump freighters with taloses and whatnot, to whoever manages to get even the fifty DPS pilots, I tip my hat to you. Triple points if you don't have several people ISBoxing multiple DPS clients.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#4 - 2013-03-19 04:54:29 UTC
Fifty dudes... What's the individual payout you're looking for? Or is this purely for the lulz?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#5 - 2013-03-19 04:59:41 UTC
Nice work. Some very useful info.

The Eve community owes you for putting the hard work in, keeping the economy flowing and adding game content for miners and freighter pilots.

Even if they don't realize it yet - They should all thank you, because if nothing splodes - no one needs to buy anything.




Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#6 - 2013-03-19 05:10:02 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Fifty dudes... What's the individual payout you're looking for? Or is this purely for the lulz?


Did your mother pay you to take the garbage bin out for collection every week? That's what this world is coming to, you know. People who won't even help themselves without someone paying them to take action.
Alara IonStorm
#7 - 2013-03-19 05:12:53 UTC
Just remember that perfection is pretty hard to get everyone to live up. Poor skill, people firing from the wrong range, pilots not overheating or haven't trained it, a girth of low dmg rolls, Ect.

Might want to bring a few extra people and encourage some people to get the highest Meta Guns they can comfortably afford because Meta 2 guns are like 150k and meta 3 Mag Stabs are 200k which is way better then a Freighter escaping because a few people didn't measure up.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#8 - 2013-03-19 05:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Thor Kerrigan
Karl Hobb wrote:
Fifty dudes... What's the individual payout you're looking for? Or is this purely for the lulz?


We are making a steady profit right now to buy back materials for the catalysts. The machine keeps grinding and every once in a while we hit a bigger jackpot; someone forgets to leave skillbooks in station, another decides to fit meta mining upgrades. When that happens, we divide the profit, otherwise we are essentially ganking for free.

I see a freighter gank the same way. It costs you nothing to join, as I provide the ships. Just getting that bil+ killmail is worth it already, any profit to be divided is a bonus, really.

Alara IonStorm wrote:
Just remember that perfection is pretty hard to get everyone to live up. Poor skill, people firing from the wrong range, pilots not overheating or haven't trained it, a girth of low dmg rolls, Ect.

Might want to bring a few extra people and encourage some people to get the highest Meta Guns they can comfortably afford because Meta 2 guns are like 150k and meta 3 Mag Stabs are 200k which is way better then a Freighter escaping because a few people didn't measure up.


Paper DPS (EFT warrior'ing) says around 30 T1 catalysts should suffice in 0.5. I estimate 50 to be a reasonable number when you take all variables into account, such as gunnery skills, missing fleet warp, landing more than 5 kms off-target, slave implant set on victim.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#9 - 2013-03-19 05:40:55 UTC
Congrats Smile

If that was 100 mill between 5 pilots, I'd have balance concerns. But with 30+ pilots? No problems in the slightest; the higher pilot requirement balances it all out. Good luck to you, in your endeavours. Well, unless it's one of my freighters. But I'm sure you understand Big smile

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

GreenSeed
#10 - 2013-03-19 05:54:25 UTC
numbers are off, hull has no resists.
Zhade Lezte
#11 - 2013-03-19 06:01:02 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Fifty dudes... What's the individual payout you're looking for? Or is this purely for the lulz?


We are making a steady profit right now to buy back materials for the catalysts. The machine keeps grinding and every once in a while we hit a bigger jackpot; someone forgets to leave skillbooks in station, another decides to fit meta mining upgrades. When that happens, we divide the profit, otherwise we are essentially ganking for free.

I see a freighter gank the same way. It costs you nothing to join, as I provide the ships. Just getting that bil+ killmail is worth it already, any profit to be divided is a bonus, really.


For comedy purposes, how many low meta fitted velators would it take to kill a freighter, at least in EFT warrior theory? Would it be cheaper or more expensive than catalysts?

(I could probably figure this out myself but :effort:)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2013-03-19 06:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Zhade Lezte wrote:
For comedy purposes, how many low meta fitted velators would it take to kill a freighter, at least in EFT warrior theory? Would it be cheaper or more expensive than catalysts?

(I could probably figure this out myself but :effort:)


In Pyfa-warriored perfection, 77 @ 280k ISK per (plus Ammo), assuming 20s CONCORD time.*

So... ~24m ISK.


*(Obelisk 203k EHP vs AM)/(132 DPS * 20s)

EDIT Forgot Drones and to Show my Work

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-03-19 07:14:07 UTC
Nice work with the number of Catalysts needed for freighters and Jf´s BUT
it is pure theory.

You need a mean value and standard deviation to know the number of extra catalysts you have to bring to succeed with a confidence level of at least 95%.
Just saying...if you want to do it then do it right.

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Brinxter
Bite Me inc
#14 - 2013-03-19 07:54:20 UTC
Out of sheer curiousity, how do you deal with looting that freighter wreck nowadays?
Because you probably need another freighter to scoop the wreck, who'll go suspect upon doing so.
And that seems like a bad idea :)
Whitehound
#15 - 2013-03-19 08:04:46 UTC
And another drama unfolds...

This is what you do when you have no luck in EVE - you dream of success, of your sucky destroyer, of having 50 friends and how these will put an end to your tears.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#16 - 2013-03-19 08:40:12 UTC
Zhade Lezte wrote:
Man we occasionally have trouble getting enough people in highsec to gank freighters and jump freighters with taloses and whatnot, to whoever manages to get even the fifty DPS pilots, I tip my hat to you. Triple points if you don't have several people ISBoxing multiple DPS clients.


Yeah it'll probably be hard to do on a regular basis but as a one off I'm sure someone would be able to pull it off
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2013-03-19 08:57:39 UTC
My catty is yours sir.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.

Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#18 - 2013-03-19 09:59:41 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Feel free to help me optimize further or provide me your most delicious tears.


Have you considered using meta 1/2 blasters and mag stabs? They would add to the damage thus lowering the number of pilots needed. The added cost should be minimal.

Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2013-03-19 10:09:20 UTC
Sable Moran wrote:
stuff


GET A BRAIN, MORAN.

Katrina Oniseki

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#20 - 2013-03-19 10:11:06 UTC
This is why we can't have nice things.......I like you!

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