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Change toon name :)

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Zella Polaris
Pitchfork Uprising Holdings
#21 - 2013-03-17 11:34:18 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Name changes: cost is = 10X your current bounty + 1 billion. Bounty remains, but the "cost" is paid out to those who placed the bounty on your head (10X original bounty).

The 1 billion is claimed by Concorde, for having to update their records.

Hmm. This *could* be interesting. I'm still sketchy about changing names, though. Only way I would be in favor of it was if it happened during character transfers.

Pitchfork Militia, part of Catastrophic Uprising, is recruiting. 0.0 SOV, emphasis on PvP, NBSI

Mag's
Azn Empire
#22 - 2013-03-17 11:40:04 UTC
Zella Polaris wrote:
Only way I would be in favor of it was if it happened during character transfers.
Which would make it open to everyone. Not so 'sketchy' tbh, more like 'yes let's do it'.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Olivia Moist
let's get weird
#23 - 2013-03-17 15:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Olivia Moist
Yes please. You dedicate your character for so many years. Making people regret a name they took years ago is the worst thing you can do. Bind very strict rules to it tho. Just as other people said, keep old names in bio like corp history. Give it a cooldown of like 10 months or once a year like a remap with a cost like character transfers.
Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-03-17 15:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweaks Huren
I don't understand why CCP or anyone is against this knowing the following could very easily be done:


  1. All characters have a unique ID in the database, which means their name is just a label
  2. This means nothing would get lost in terms of character history (char sheet, employment history, etc...)
  3. A new tab could be added in the bio section to show previous names/aliases
  4. Searching for a character's old names would return his current character name as a result (showing "previously known as 'xxxx' in the result)
  5. They could easily limit the use of those renames by charging for a PLEX and limiting it to once a year
  6. Changing names wouldn't break anything because of point #1. No references are done by name string, only by char ID.


Someone list me a single valid point why this couldn't be done knowing the above. I can't find any. Reputation is not a valid argument if you can still see who someone was named as easily.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#25 - 2013-03-18 11:35:05 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:
I don't understand why CCP or anyone is against this knowing the following could very easily be done:


  1. All characters have a unique ID in the database, which means their name is just a label
  2. This means nothing would get lost in terms of character history (char sheet, employment history, etc...)
  3. A new tab could be added in the bio section to show previous names/aliases
  4. Searching for a character's old names would return his current character name as a result (showing "previously known as 'xxxx' in the result)
  5. They could easily limit the use of those renames by charging for a PLEX and limiting it to once a year
  6. Changing names wouldn't break anything because of point #1. No references are done by name string, only by char ID.


Someone list me a single valid point why this couldn't be done knowing the above. I can't find any. Reputation is not a valid argument if you can still see who someone was named as easily.


I refer to my post on page 1,

Whenever i see someone in local with a name I don't know, I have to look in their Bio to see if they used to have a name i recognize!!!

This results in many many more calls to the game database because a player has no way of knowing if another player is someone who is 'known' to whem without perfroming an inspection of the Bio.

It would also be a huge PITA to constantly check Bios, which does not lead to enjoyable gameplay.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-03-18 11:42:30 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:


I refer to my post on page 1,

Whenever i see someone in local with a name I don't know, I have to look in their Bio to see if they used to have a name i recognize!!!

This results in many many more calls to the game database because a player has no way of knowing if another player is someone who is 'known' to whem without perfroming an inspection of the Bio.

It would also be a huge PITA to constantly check Bios, which does not lead to enjoyable gameplay.


There could be an options for paranoidal persons like you.
1) Always show original names.
2) Show original name in bracket after a new one (prefered IMO).
e.g.:
Paranoid Hikaru [Jint Hikaru]: Hello.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#27 - 2013-03-18 15:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
Not a bad solution.....

1) now you have different names being shown to different people (i see original name, you see new name), this is going to get very complicated. And this also will make FC's cry.

2) What happens when someone has changed their name 4 times?

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#28 - 2013-03-18 15:25:03 UTC
I see potential in this bracket thing.

Jint Hikaru [owes me a][machariel]

Just needs some planning. (btw: sry jint).
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#29 - 2013-03-18 16:05:33 UTC
If name changes are permitted, accountability through name recognition goes straight out the window.

Just permitted with character transfers? Sell it to yourself. Have an extra account? Bounce between those each time you want to wipe the slate.

Consider the reasons people often want a name change, namely to drop associations tied to the name quite frequently.
This is why characters are sold, not skills.

It is a complete package, complete with skills, security status, name associations, all of that.
Zeta Vulcana
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-03-18 20:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeta Vulcana
Ok. Let's say I don't buy server overload just yet. Could be extra button somewhere and to be loaded only when one go to that specific tab in Bio.

Initially I was thinking to have detective agents (of course you should have standings) to get you previous names - if really interested - similar to locator agent - and whenever you add someone to contacts to be able to put whatever comment/name you want to show when you go with mouse over it - I feel this way some load would be on client. I am not expert btw.

how does this sound?

About changing I feel similar to remap but to cost like transfer would be ok. You could change name only if you move toon to other account and you pay extra fee - like 2 plex and it didn't happen in last 12 months.

I doubt whoever really want to change name because they robbed Li3 would have a problem with 2 plex though (maybe only 20USD/EUR?).

I am still in favour of this functionality.
Zhao Wuhan
Liquicity Industrys
#31 - 2013-03-18 23:15:18 UTC
Will only say yes if your character has a sex change operation. Otherwise; no.
Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-03-19 01:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweaks Huren
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Tweaks Huren wrote:
I don't understand why CCP or anyone is against this knowing the following could very easily be done:


  1. All characters have a unique ID in the database, which means their name is just a label
  2. This means nothing would get lost in terms of character history (char sheet, employment history, etc...)
  3. A new tab could be added in the bio section to show previous names/aliases
  4. Searching for a character's old names would return his current character name as a result (showing "previously known as 'xxxx' in the result)
  5. They could easily limit the use of those renames by charging for a PLEX and limiting it to once a year
  6. Changing names wouldn't break anything because of point #1. No references are done by name string, only by char ID.


Someone list me a single valid point why this couldn't be done knowing the above. I can't find any. Reputation is not a valid argument if you can still see who someone was named as easily.


I refer to my post on page 1,

Whenever i see someone in local with a name I don't know, I have to look in their Bio to see if they used to have a name i recognize!!!

This results in many many more calls to the game database because a player has no way of knowing if another player is someone who is 'known' to whem without perfroming an inspection of the Bio.

It would also be a huge PITA to constantly check Bios, which does not lead to enjoyable gameplay.
Okay, that argument is complete nonsense. It's not like you'd be able to change your name every week, we're talking about once a year, maybe up to certain maximum of times in the life of your character. Besides, if you see someone in local you don't know, you'd open his character profile anyway because it could be a legitimate unknown. It wouldn't make any more "database calls" like you state... at least, nothing that would load the server to affect performance. That argument is null.
DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-03-19 02:02:56 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Tweaks Huren wrote:
I don't understand why CCP or anyone is against this knowing the following could very easily be done:


  1. All characters have a unique ID in the database, which means their name is just a label
  2. This means nothing would get lost in terms of character history (char sheet, employment history, etc...)
  3. A new tab could be added in the bio section to show previous names/aliases
  4. Searching for a character's old names would return his current character name as a result (showing "previously known as 'xxxx' in the result)
  5. They could easily limit the use of those renames by charging for a PLEX and limiting it to once a year
  6. Changing names wouldn't break anything because of point #1. No references are done by name string, only by char ID.


Someone list me a single valid point why this couldn't be done knowing the above. I can't find any. Reputation is not a valid argument if you can still see who someone was named as easily.


I refer to my post on page 1,

Whenever i see someone in local with a name I don't know, I have to look in their Bio to see if they used to have a name i recognize!!!

This results in many many more calls to the game database because a player has no way of knowing if another player is someone who is 'known' to whem without perfroming an inspection of the Bio.

It would also be a huge PITA to constantly check Bios, which does not lead to enjoyable gameplay.
Okay, that argument is complete nonsense. It's not like you'd be able to change your name every week, we're talking about once a year, maybe up to certain maximum of times in the life of your character. Besides, if you see someone in local you don't know, you'd open his character profile anyway because it could be a legitimate unknown. It wouldn't make any more "database calls" like you state... at least, nothing that would load the server to affect performance. That argument is null.


Here the thing that CCP and Bitter vets stand on, is that every choice you make has it consequences. So if you pick a bad name, you must make a choice, learn to live with it, or Biomass. And the next thing that CCP and Bitter vets all agree with is that a name should also carry weight, not only do you build or destroy relation ships based on your name, you name also carry all the past reputation with you, are you a good player? What kind of things have I heard about this? Do you think he will follow through with his deal? This idea destroys the very foundation of not only force to live with every consequence but also the choices of who and what you build your reputation with.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.”

Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#34 - 2013-03-19 02:26:59 UTC
I believe 1 name change should be allowed once in the pilots life time, with all previous names removed. This feature should only become accessible to pilots after their first 12 month from their birthdate.


In regards to buying characters from the Character Bazaar. Well I think their should be a feature to change the Name and wipe the players employment history as well. However, the biggest problem I think we have here is trying to stop those who would abuse it ie. putting their own Character up for sale and repurchasing it to abuse the features.

Not sure how we could solve this, maybe a percentage reduction in SP as soon as the character is put up for sale? Or if when purchasing the character and the player wishes to reset the employment history and/or name they will lose x% of SP.

After all, why do you need to know a Characters employment history or previous names if a new player is truly playing that character?
Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-03-19 02:59:49 UTC
DataRunner Attor wrote:
Here the thing that CCP and Bitter vets stand on, is that every choice you make has it consequences. So if you pick a bad name, you must make a choice, learn to live with it, or Biomass. And the next thing that CCP and Bitter vets all agree with is that a name should also carry weight, not only do you build or destroy relation ships based on your name, you name also carry all the past reputation with you, are you a good player? What kind of things have I heard about this? Do you think he will follow through with his deal? This idea destroys the very foundation of not only force to live with every consequence but also the choices of who and what you build your reputation with.

That whole argument would be valid if and only if there would be no trace anywhere of the previous name(s). The suggestion is that past names be shown in the bio of the character (in a new sub-tab for example). Remember that since the character ID is used to link everything in the database (not the character name like some seem to think), if someone puts you on his contact list and sets standing to bad, and edit the notes of that contact to say "this guy is a thief, do not trust", then all this would stay even if the character renamed himself, and the character will still show as a red. Only the display name would change.

Changing a name doesn't change standings or associations, only the label, the display name.

As for making a choice that has consequence, well... This game is 10 years old. Very old characters were created by players that were much less mature they are now (10 years older) and were created when that player didn't know anything about the game yet. Not everybody would change it because they want to go under the radar, actually I'm sure most would change it for example because they used all caps and realize now it's bad, or used numbers in their name while the movies Hackers or The Matrix were still cool and they feel ashamed of them today, or more simply because they forgot to capitalize their name when they first type it and it's bothering them now because they want to role play and their name is spelled wrong...

Whatever the reason, I see no valid argument against it if you can easily see a trace of the previous name in the character's bio.

Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-03-19 03:01:44 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
2) What happens when someone has changed their name 4 times?
If CCP is smart about it, they would set a limit to the number of times you can rename your character. Could even be only once in a lifetime, and I'd be happy with that.
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#37 - 2013-03-19 03:05:07 UTC
Why would anyone want to change their character's name?


-or have to put something hideous in their bio?


Brackets power activate [coolname] [awesomebio]
Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-03-19 03:21:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweaks Huren
Mikaila Penshar wrote:
Why would anyone want to change their character's name?
If you're trolling I guess I'm a fish, but are you seriously asking why? There's a hundred reasons why someone would like to change their character's name. Just do a partial character search and look at some of the names in there... Some were created by players when they were 15 years old, and now the same player is 25... chances are what that 15 years old thought was cool then may not be so cool anymore today. That's just one of the reasons. Here's a few more:


  1. You typed your character name while capslock was on and you're now sick of people yelling at you because they thought you were deaf.
  2. You forgot to capitalize your name and your conscience is kicking you in the nuts because you know proper names are capitalized.
  3. You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass
  4. You thought Zero Cool and Crash Override were original, but after the popularity of the movie Hackers started to lower, you realized that Neo and Morpheus were much better and wish you had picked that instead.
  5. You chose to use a zero instead of an "O" in your name where it should be, and you're tired of people confusing you for another dude with the same name properly spelled
  6. Your name is one character short of being the same as the most wanted criminal in EVE, and you're tired of getting shot on sight by everyone, even Concord.
  7. You named your character after your dog and it got hit by a car yesterday
  8. Your name is way too common and you want to feel more original
  9. Your name is way too original and you want to blend in more
  10. Your name means something embarrassing in another language and now that you know you can't think about anything else when you see it


hmmm... ok, maybe not 100 reasons, but that's still a lot and I"m sure there's plenty more...
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#39 - 2013-03-19 03:28:54 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:
Mikaila Penshar wrote:
Why would anyone want to change their character's name?
If you're trolling I guess I'm a fish, but are you seriously asking why? There's a hundred reasons why someone would like to change their character's name. Just do a partial character search and look at some of the names in there... Some were created by players when they were 15 years old, and now the same player is 25... chances are what that 15 years old thought was cool then may not be so cool anymore today. That's just one of the reasons. Here's a few more:


  1. You typed your character name while capslock was on and you're now sick of people yelling at you because they thought you were deaf.
  2. You forgot to capitalize your name and your conscience is kicking you in the nuts because you know proper names are capitalized.
  3. You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass
  4. You thought Zero Cool and Crash Override were original, but after the popularity of the movie Hackers started to lowered, you realized that Neo and Morpheus was much better and wish you had picked that instead.
  5. You chose to use a zero instead of an "O" in your name where it should be, and you're tired of people confusing you for another dude with the same name properly spelled
  6. Your name is one character short of being the same as the most wanted criminal in EVE, and you're tired of getting shot on sight by everyone, even Concord.
  7. You named your character after your dog and it got hit by a car yesterday
  8. Your name is way too common and you want to feel more original
  9. Your name is way too original and you want to blend in more
  10. Your name means something embarrassing in another language and now that you know you can't think about anything else when you see it


hmmm... ok, maybe not 100 reasons, but that's still a lot and I"m sure there's plenty more...



sniiiifff - i smell a troll


my post was a sarcastic way of saying, consequences... i mean really, if you knew you were gonna play for a few years why WHY would you pick a stupid name... and you shoulda known better Ponyboy, you really shoulda KNOWN


bracket powers GO: [Ponyboy, reference to The Outsiders novel, included for illustration purposes only] [no actual Ponyboys were hurt in the filming of this post]

DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-19 06:24:05 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:
DataRunner Attor wrote:
Here the thing that CCP and Bitter vets stand on, is that every choice you make has it consequences. So if you pick a bad name, you must make a choice, learn to live with it, or Biomass. And the next thing that CCP and Bitter vets all agree with is that a name should also carry weight, not only do you build or destroy relation ships based on your name, you name also carry all the past reputation with you, are you a good player? What kind of things have I heard about this? Do you think he will follow through with his deal? This idea destroys the very foundation of not only force to live with every consequence but also the choices of who and what you build your reputation with.

That whole argument would be valid if and only if there would be no trace anywhere of the previous name(s). The suggestion is that past names be shown in the bio of the character (in a new sub-tab for example). Remember that since the character ID is used to link everything in the database (not the character name like some seem to think), if someone puts you on his contact list and sets standing to bad, and edit the notes of that contact to say "this guy is a thief, do not trust", then all this would stay even if the character renamed himself, and the character will still show as a red. Only the display name would change.

Changing a name doesn't change standings or associations, only the label, the display name.

As for making a choice that has consequence, well... This game is 10 years old. Very old characters were created by players that were much less mature they are now (10 years older) and were created when that player didn't know anything about the game yet. Not everybody would change it because they want to go under the radar, actually I'm sure most would change it for example because they used all caps and realize now it's bad, or used numbers in their name while the movies Hackers or The Matrix were still cool and they feel ashamed of them today, or more simply because they forgot to capitalize their name when they first type it and it's bothering them now because they want to role play and their name is spelled wrong...

Whatever the reason, I see no valid argument against it if you can easily see a trace of the previous name in the character's bio.



You know...Honestly I have only one real response to this cause it 2 in the morning and my brain is mush, Name change will never happen, so I wish you luck on your endeavors young one.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.”