Intergalactic Summit

I am not sure what there is not to believe, to be honest.

We treat enemies that have proven that they are our enemies simply because of ideological differences with respect. After all, they merely believe differently than we do, that doesn't necessarily make them stupid, or crazy.

However, when we blew up the capsuleer who had, affectionately, named himself "MyNipples", we felt no particular need to afford that capsuleer respect, nor do we feel the need to respect an organization which took one look at his pilot license application and approved it, without questioning about whether that particular capsuleer was... perpared... for the responsibility to use his newfound power in a way that was, at the very least, structured.

A small addendum to my above post: My Colleague Zanzibar has pointed out to me that MyNipples was merely someone we saw in Placid. The person we have collected the biomass of was "Mistress TittyTwister".

I think my point still stands.

And the Empires think the DUST people are the crazy ones.

You're beginning to understand, I think.

That's fine. Your understanding in part, but not your agreement, is what leads you to being placed in one classification or another.

This was going to happen anyways, until you demonstrate that you no longer work for the Gallente Federation, and are willing to work in good faith with us.

History has shown us (legitimately, in this case, not Mr. Ixiris's fantasy world wherein the Federation is facing genocidal threats) that we cannot assume good will on the part of outsiders.

At least you can rest assured that we will respect you enough that you will be engaged as an enemy combatant and not just yet another insane person in an interstellar death machine.

To be perfectly fair, Tiberious, picking a callsign such as the above could be part of a strategy (albeit a juvenile one) to avoid getting called primary often. I have no idea whether it would actually work, mind.

Your overall point stands, of course.

I do think it's a pity that 'Me' is most likely taken by someone brilliant. "Fleet, lock Me. I want points up on Me. Bubble Me. Fleet, primary Me."

Well this is all a bit of a clusterfuck really isn't it?

While I strongly disagree with Andreus' opinion for reasons I'll go into in a moment, I can't help but notice he seems to be the only person here with any real honesty or, for want for a better word, integrity.

Whereas on the otherhand we've people posting an awful lot of beautiful, romantic, promising words, who reflect a total opposite in their day to day engagements and the M.O of the association to which they align themselves.

And then we've got people who will jump into bed with anyone that helps them win their personal argument without thinking who they are becoming so reliant on. It's like the young girl in school with self esteem issues who'd sleep with anyone who gave her five minutes of attention. Only the consequences here are a little more than waking up with an itch the next morning.

Also a point out, if you're going to lambast someone for speaking on behalf of his employees, don't then start talking about what you believe they should do straight after, there's a quite strong level of hypocrisy there.


Anyway, Andreus I've not come here to be your White Knight, the above points were just bothering me. I must disagree with your opinion of the situation. While I understand your concept of "fight fire with fire" I cannot personally condone it. Yes there are those who'd want to see the Federation wiped from existence, and those who deny these people exist under their very noses. But to defend against them by reacting in turn and indiscriminately targeting entire groups just to pick out a few bad eggs, or as you put it to become "the monster", would destroy the Federation in a way far more effective than these verbal blowhards can ever hope to attain.

There have been a couple of dark moments in her history, where the Federation has turned into a machine of outright violence, hatred and malice, it's been effective if not near unstoppable, but at the cost of the ethics and ideals that makes the Federation exist in the first place. Such events are always marred by tragedy, sadly ones that have to be large enough to knock the populace out of their bloodlust and realise what they had surrendered in exchange for "guarenteed safety."

Yes, the Federation could churn out the war machine, let the right wing U-Nats take charge and systematically cleanse system after system under the guise of safety and preventative measures, but the moment they do, they stop being the Federation, or at least the spirit dies, the name might still exist but it will be a far cry from the noble purposes she was created for.

So no, genocide against one of the other three Empires is never an option, at least not for the Federation.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is a uniquely dangerous time for the Federation; neither the State nor Federation is capable of truly destroying the other at present, but the Federation is truly capable of destroying itself due to the inherently unstable properties of liberty combined with militarism, patriotism and fear.

It is heartening to see that many Federation capsuleers are proving their ultra-nationalistic peers to be a minority, albeit a vocal one, but all I can hope for is that your wise words, and those of your peers, are upheld by the ballots that are sure to be submitted in the near future. The true test in a system as unstable as democracy, is whether the common decency of man can prevail unassisted, and deny the overturning of a system merely to spit on another man, nation or empire.