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Rescuing the Abandoned

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Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#21 - 2011-10-27 18:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Sadik
Rodj Blake wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Ran'shad wrote:
My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that introducing them into the larger Minmatar society is actually harmful to these individuals. How many of the 'graduates' - for lack of a better term - of the matriculation programs suffer serious psychological trauma as a result of the overwhelming burden placed on them to sink or swim in the cut-throat Minmatar society?
So you're saying the Amarr have studied how incompetent they are at educating their slaves?
Apparently the Republic's education system doesn't teach anything related to reading comprehension because I don't think that's what he's saying at all.
But good Admiral, I was born and raised on Mekhios - are you calling Amarrian education incompetent?
Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-10-28 12:31:31 UTC
I would like to take this oppurtunity to thank those pilots who have over the past 12-24 hours rescued 324 slaves, 5 slavers and their hounds. For security reasons, they have asked to remain anonymous. With the subversive organization Disciples of Ston openly operating in the Caldari-Amarr border area, I can understand their reluctance to be publically identified.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#23 - 2011-10-28 15:19:04 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
I would like to take this oppurtunity to thank those pilots who have over the past 12-24 hours rescued 324 slaves, 5 slavers and their hounds. For security reasons, they have asked to remain anonymous. With the subversive organization Disciples of Ston openly operating in the Caldari-Amarr border area, I can understand their reluctance to be publically identified.



Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity?

Arkady Sadik wrote:
But good Admiral, I was born and raised on Mekhios - are you calling Amarrian education is incompetent?


Oooh, nice one. Kudos, mr. Sadik.
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Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-10-28 15:31:54 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity?


With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants.

While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates?

The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame...

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-28 15:35:39 UTC
If countless generations of my family and people were enslaved and humiliated I'd be pretty pissed off too.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#26 - 2011-10-28 19:58:31 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity?


With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants.

While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates?

The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame...


We are teaching our people that they are Matari -- not a toy, or a lamp, or some Amarrian holder's pet. We're showing them what you don't want them to see: a life without you.

We are not your property.

It's time you accepted that.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#27 - 2011-10-28 20:16:59 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia.
I have a vague idea as to why that might be so.

It's unrelated to the Disciples, though.

(Cue the good Admiral saying "it's in their nature!")
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#28 - 2011-10-28 20:47:20 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity?


With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants.

While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates?

The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame...



Just to point out, his name is Ston. Not Stron.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-29 13:49:01 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity?


With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants.

While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates?

The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame...


'Stron' isn't training these people into militants, you dolt. He's giving them the option of what they want to do, and it just so happens that a large portion of them didn't enjoy having to do back-breaking work and live in squalid conditions only to be left to die by their so-called 'enlighteners', and don't want their brothers and sisters to continue to have to live through the injustice and violation of basic human rights. I'm not exactly sure why you find this surprising, perhaps your brain has been flooded with pod goo and Amarrian lies.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Nola Doyle
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-10-29 17:01:55 UTC
Ran'shad, as you can see, sir, this will be an uphill climb for your endeavor. Most of us are not trusting of an individual on his word alone, and the Minmatar will likely never until they know it is out of the possession of the Empire and its agents. Given the nature of slavery and its image in New Eden, you are relying on the generosity of freelance mercenaries and those who follow your own belief system. Is there any guarantee that you can provide that these people will not be resold into the market and this isn't simply a clever marketing scheme to generate a free revenue stream at the expense of gullible samaritans?

Furthermore, given the veracity of the topic of slavery, have you considered the risk you are placing on behalf of yourself, your crew, and your loved ones, and does your humanitarian spirit feel this an appropriate risk to ensure the safety and well being of your fellow men?

Thank you,
Nola J Doyle
Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-11-01 12:15:54 UTC
Nola Doyle wrote:
Given the nature of slavery and its image in New Eden, you are relying on the generosity of freelance mercenaries and those who follow your own belief system.
No, I'm counting on their greed and love of easy ISK to contact me and discuss terms for the repatriation of Amarrian property; and I'm pleased to say that many of these entrepreneurs have done so over the past few days.


Nola Doyle wrote:

Furthermore, given the veracity of the topic of slavery, have you considered the risk you are placing on behalf of yourself, your crew, and your loved ones, and does your humanitarian spirit feel this an appropriate risk to ensure the safety and well being of your fellow men?


Ms Doyle, I certainly hope that this is a sincere expression of concern for my well being and not a threat made in public. I'm not sure how the authorities would feel about piracy being so openly threatened.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#32 - 2011-11-01 12:37:22 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Nola Doyle wrote:
Given the nature of slavery and its image in New Eden, you are relying on the generosity of freelance mercenaries and those who follow your own belief system.
No, I'm counting on their greed and love of easy ISK to contact me and discuss terms for the repatriation of Amarrian property; and I'm pleased to say that many of these entrepreneurs have done so over the past few days.


Nola Doyle wrote:

Furthermore, given the veracity of the topic of slavery, have you considered the risk you are placing on behalf of yourself, your crew, and your loved ones, and does your humanitarian spirit feel this an appropriate risk to ensure the safety and well being of your fellow men?


Ms Doyle, I certainly hope that this is a sincere expression of concern for my well being and not a threat made in public. I'm not sure how the authorities would feel about piracy being so openly threatened.


Oh dear. You think Doctor Doyle is concerned with the authorities?
Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2011-11-01 12:48:57 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Oh dear. You think Doctor Doyle is concerned with the authorities?


This an excellent point. This is why my multiple clones are safely scattered across a half dozen secure lcoations.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Nola Doyle
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-11-01 16:21:48 UTC
The question was intended neither as a threat nor a display of genuine concern; I was simply curious if you had considered the ramifications of making yourself a target for Minmatar 'freedom' fighters beyond the health and well-being of your clones.

As for authority, my security status with CONCORD remains agreeable to them for the present. It appears bureaucracy has an advantage after all.

ND17
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#35 - 2011-11-02 18:29:24 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:

Ms Doyle, I certainly hope that this is a sincere expression of concern for my well being and not a threat made in public. I'm not sure how the authorities would feel about piracy being so openly threatened.


They'd probably feel no better about that then they do the abduction of Republic citizens. Which is, to be blunt, exactly what your attempts to recover escaped slaves represents.

Clear the pod-goo out of your ears, Ran'shad -- the Matari are not your 'property', and we never have been. If the Empire insists on pressing its dubious claims of 'ownership' over our people, we'll meet them head-on and disabuse them of the notion.

Whether there will be anything left of either of our peoples at the conclusion of such an encounter remains to be seen.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2011-11-03 12:18:43 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
They'd probably feel no better about that then they do the abduction of Republic citizens. Which is, to be blunt, exactly what your attempts to recover escaped slaves represents.

Clear the pod-goo out of your ears, Ran'shad -- the Matari are not your 'property', and we never have been. If the Empire insists on pressing its dubious claims of 'ownership' over our people, we'll meet them head-on and disabuse them of the notion.

Whether there will be anything left of either of our peoples at the conclusion of such an encounter remains to be seen.


I will leave the political posturing to you, since you seem to want to entice further conflict between the Empire and your so-called republic. However I have rescued many Matari with the Amarian Navy, border guard and even Concord holding station a few km away as I did so.

There is no question of my ownership over my holdings, the majority have been with my family for several generations, removing any doubt. As for the matter of how they are treated, I can assure you that my property are treated well. Given the neccesities of life, cared for when they are sick, young or elderly. I ensure that families are kept together and that vitoc use is only used for fleet personnel. I have even taken the extra ordinary step of having two of my servants turned into capsuleers to further increase their value to my family and our concerns.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#37 - 2011-11-03 12:27:31 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
They'd probably feel no better about that then they do the abduction of Republic citizens. Which is, to be blunt, exactly what your attempts to recover escaped slaves represents.

Clear the pod-goo out of your ears, Ran'shad -- the Matari are not your 'property', and we never have been. If the Empire insists on pressing its dubious claims of 'ownership' over our people, we'll meet them head-on and disabuse them of the notion.

Whether there will be anything left of either of our peoples at the conclusion of such an encounter remains to be seen.


I will leave the political posturing to you, since you seem to want to entice further conflict between the Empire and your so-called republic. However I have rescued many Matari with the Amarian Navy, border guard and even Concord holding station a few km away as I did so.

There is no question of my ownership over my holdings, the majority have been with my family for several generations, removing any doubt. As for the matter of how they are treated, I can assure you that my property are treated well. Given the neccesities of life, cared for when they are sick, young or elderly. I ensure that families are kept together and that vitoc use is only used for fleet personnel. I have even taken the extra ordinary step of having two of my servants turned into capsuleers to further increase their value to my family and our concerns.



Then you have lost them.

The capsuleers, I mean. Loyalty only extends so far, and they now have extraordinary means of attaining freedom.

They are a million ISK and a genetic sample away from it.
Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2011-11-03 12:39:10 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

Then you have lost them.

The capsuleers, I mean. Loyalty only extends so far, and they now have extraordinary means of attaining freedom.

They are a million ISK and a genetic sample away from it.



Normally I would agree, however they realize that should they sin and turn their backs on me and the gift of immortality I have bestowed on them, then their families would be held to account for their actions. That is the other benefit of keeping families together in service.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#39 - 2011-11-03 13:00:03 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

Then you have lost them.

The capsuleers, I mean. Loyalty only extends so far, and they now have extraordinary means of attaining freedom.

They are a million ISK and a genetic sample away from it.



Normally I would agree, however they realize that should they sin and turn their backs on me and the gift of immortality I have bestowed on them, then their families would be held to account for their actions. That is the other benefit of keeping families together in service.


Hm.

I think the day will come when you regret using families as hostages, Captain.

I hope that day comes before someone makes you regret it.
Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2011-11-03 13:44:20 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

I think the day will come when you regret using families as hostages, Captain.

I hope that day comes before someone makes you regret it.


I am afraid you misunderstand, they are not hostages. My two capsuleer servants realize that in the eyes of God they have been given a gift, and that for the sake of the souls of their family they are wise to honor and obey the one who bestowed the gift upon them. Truthfully, these individuals are closer to trusted employees, as they have realized the true place of their people and are thankful for the blessings that God has given them through the teachings of our priests. Perhaps I shall ask them to speak publically, should they so choose.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

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