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Namdor
#161 - 2013-03-18 19:07:11 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Namdor wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Or dont and suffer the conciquences of your stupidity.



It is the function of that particular ship to do such a thing. Now, you literally will not survive your trip if you take loads like that between market hubs. Your death is next to certain.



Lolwut?

I move comparable amounts between hubs on a routine basis without ever getting ganked.

How can this be?



Not in a freighter loaded to the brim and starting in Jita I imagine.


The linked kill was a noobship, not a freighter.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#162 - 2013-03-18 19:08:29 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


No it is more like Arabs scanning your truck to see how much cash you have in your wallet. Ramming you with a bulldozer at a stoplight and mugging you. That is a somewhat more accurate analogy.


Because they are going to do that to a waggon full of carrots.

It doesnt matter how you try to word it, stuffing 10 billion into the hold of a rookie ship is a stupid thing to do.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#163 - 2013-03-18 19:08:38 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
No it is more like Arabs scanning your truck to see how much cash you have in your wallet. Ramming you with a bulldozer at a stoplight and mugging you. That is a somewhat more accurate analogy.
…which means it's stupid to carry around tons of cash in known mugging spots.

The basic concept remains the same: you're doing something you shouldn't be doing. You're being stupid. You end up paying the price for your stupidity, as you should. It was all easily avoidable had you been a bit smarter about it.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#164 - 2013-03-18 19:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That does not mean that it is not easy, it could just as easily mean that people are simply having trouble understanding Concord mechanics.
…which means it's not easy.



Actually no. Not being sure of how exactly concord works, has nothing to do with how easy/hard the act of ganking and profiting from that ganking is. It just means the idea of concord is ballyhoo functioning as a deterrent, without actually being one in physicality.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#165 - 2013-03-18 19:10:12 UTC
This thread started with a troll by the OP.

It has now degenerated into the usual ganking is too easy/too hard.

Blame the miners etc...

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#166 - 2013-03-18 19:11:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


No it is more like Arabs scanning your truck to see how much cash you have in your wallet. Ramming you with a bulldozer at a stoplight and mugging you. That is a somewhat more accurate analogy.


Because they are going to do that to a waggon full of carrots.

It doesnt matter how you try to word it, stuffing 10 billion into the hold of a rookie ship is a stupid thing to do.


No one seems to be talking about 10b in the hold of a rookie ship here, unless I missed something.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#167 - 2013-03-18 19:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Actually no. Not being sure of how exactly concord works, has nothing to do with how easy/hard the act of ganking and profiting from that ganking is. It is just ballyhoo functioning as a deterrent.


I'm pretty sure the gankers know how Concord works, if they didn't they wouldn't be able to manipulate Concord spawns, or to drag Concord clear across a solar system to give them the window of opportunity required to carry out their nefarious plans. The information on Concord mechanics isn't exactly hard to find, Goonswarm/MiniLuv have it down to a fine art, as do the New Order guys, who've been known to actually bump Concord spawns out of instagib range by bumping the anchor ship so that they can get their gank on.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#168 - 2013-03-18 19:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Actually no.
No? So it's not a case of “people are simply having trouble” with the mechanics (i.e. not that easy after all)?
Then why is it so rare?

Quote:
Not being sure of how exactly concord works, has nothing to do with how easy/hard the act of ganking and profiting from that ganking is
…aside from the rather important fact that CONCORD is what determines how easy or hard something is to gank and how much profit you'll make from it, and not knowing how that mechanic works means a complete stab in the dark even before we add in the RNG — a difficult task indeed.

Quote:
No one seems to be talking about 10b in the hold of a rookie ship here, unless I missed something.
You missed a lot.
Namdor
#169 - 2013-03-18 19:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Namdor
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


No it is more like Arabs scanning your truck to see how much cash you have in your wallet. Ramming you with a bulldozer at a stoplight and mugging you. That is a somewhat more accurate analogy.


Because they are going to do that to a waggon full of carrots.

It doesnt matter how you try to word it, stuffing 10 billion into the hold of a rookie ship is a stupid thing to do.


No one seems to be talking about 10b in the hold of a rookie ship here, unless I missed something.



You did.

Repeatedly, at that.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#170 - 2013-03-18 19:15:44 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


No one seems to be talking about 10b in the hold of a rookie ship here, unless I missed something.


You did.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#171 - 2013-03-18 19:17:33 UTC
You can't read then, I seem to have typed freighter.

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2013-03-18 19:19:28 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
evedawn wrote:
Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!


Hang on a second... logical disconnect here.
So, you WORKED your way into a Golem (not cheap, not easy skill-wise), but you don't know anything about suicide ganking?!?!
Really?
0/10 for too-obvious of a troll.


If you don't read the forums and have a wee bit of luck, you could go for years without being suicide ganked.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#173 - 2013-03-18 19:19:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Actually no.
No? So it's not a case of “people are simply having trouble” with the mechanics (i.e. not that easy after all)?
Then why is it so rare?.



You carefully expunged a word, which I am sure you did by accident. Right? People are simply having trouble understanding the mechanics of concord.


See, when you put that word back in it changes the entire meaning of the sentence. Very important lesson there.

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Namdor
#174 - 2013-03-18 19:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Namdor
Here, let me help.

See, we started here:

baltec1 wrote:
Or dont and suffer the conciquences of your stupidity.


This is a kill of a rookie ship with 10 billion in melted nanoribbons in its hold.

To which YOU directly responded:

Quote:
It is the function of that particular ship to do such a thing. Now, you literally will not survive your trip if you take loads like that between market hubs. Your death is next to certain.


Implying one or more of the following:

1. You believe the function of a rookie ship is to transport 10 billion in nanoribbons.
2. You're incapable of discerning a rookie ship from a ship more suited to transporting 10 billion in nanoribbons.
3. You responded with a non sequitur, hoping everyone else would fail to notice that it was a rookie ship.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-03-18 19:25:10 UTC
dexington wrote:
evedawn wrote:
Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station.


and the nullbears keep whining about hi-sec being to safe...


It took him almost 5 YEARS of playing EvE in high sec and the loss of a shiny MARAUDER to realize he is not completely and absolutely safe in high sec.

The "null bears" are right.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#176 - 2013-03-18 19:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You can't read then, I seem to have typed freighter.

You can't read then. You are talking about the 10bn rookie ship.

Quote:
You carefully expunged cut before a word
…which made no difference. With or without it, you're saying it's not easy. That would explain why it's so rare, but would contradict your previous claim that it easy after all (and we'll set aside the obvious ignorance of trying to claim that people don't understand how CONCORD works).
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#177 - 2013-03-18 19:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.

I say if you want to gank people thats fine but it should cost you and anyone involved. This seemed to worked well for the miners. Macks seem still be on the profit list but rifter ganks have fallen off substantially. WHY? No profit in it.


People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. Something needs to be in place to remove the profit margin for using high dps ships with no effort put in to them to kill ships people have worked hard to obtain.

Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.


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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#178 - 2013-03-18 19:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Namdor wrote:
Here, let me help.

See, we started here:

baltec1 wrote:
Or dont and suffer the conciquences of your stupidity.


This is a kill of a rookie ship with 10 billion in melted nanoribbons in its hold.

To which YOU directly responded:

Quote:
It is the function of that particular ship to do such a thing. Now, you literally will not survive your trip if you take loads like that between market hubs. Your death is next to certain.


Implying one or more of the following:

1. You believe the function of a rookie ship is to transport 10 billion in nanoribbons.
2. You're incapable of discerning a rookie ship from a ship more suited to transporting 10 billion in nanoribbons.
3. You responded with a non sequitur, hoping everyone else would fail to notice that it was a rookie ship.



I didn't click on it. The op is about Golem and I am referring to ships that have a specific function and role in the game. I am not discussing rookie ships.




But after looking at that KM, I'd say he was trying to outsmart the system by flying a ship that no one would suspect. Problem with that is... people have already figured out that trick.

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2013-03-18 19:31:09 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That does not mean that it is not easy, it could just as easily mean that people are simply having trouble understanding Concord mechanics.
…which means it's not easy.



Actually no. Not being sure of how exactly concord works, has nothing to do with how easy/hard the act of ganking and profiting from that ganking is. It just means the idea of concord is ballyhoo functioning as a deterrent, without actually being one in physicality.


Of course it acts as a deterrent. Otherwise pirates would just shoot ALL the miners and missioners they could lock.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#180 - 2013-03-18 19:32:35 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I didn't click on it.
So you were talking out of your ass when you said that “It is the function of that particular ship to do such a thing”. You had absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Good on you. Roll

Quote:
The op is about Golem and I am referring to ships that have a specific function and role in the game. I am not discussing rookie ships.
…except that by saying to “that particular ship” (i.e. referring to the rookie ship you were commenting on), you did exactly that.