Intergalactic Summit

Can you see the contradictions in your own statement? Do I really need to hold your hand through it?

Its a sad day indeed when I point an Amarrian to his own scriptures. Search IGS and you WILL find many stories and comments where scripture has been used as the basis for their arguments regarding slavery.

Good luck to any clone solider willing (or otherwise) to be reclaimed.

The Matari that willingly embraced God were not enslaved. That is why the Mandate exists. That the rest of the Matari were enslaved, and for so long, was solely a result of their stubbornness and resistance.

Those clone soldiers who take up Her Imperial Majesty's offer will not be enslaved, but nor will they be made citizens "at the drop of a hat". All who live in the Empire must adhere to the faith, or be in the process of being taught the faith. There are many foreigners in the Empire came here of their own free will, who embraced the faith willingly, and were thus never enslaved. Those clone soldiers who accept the offer will, along with receiving care and support for their conditions, be also receiving spiritual education, and both of these will happen in the sanctuary colonies that Her Imperial Majesty will be establishing.

That is not enslavement, as it is voluntary. The Reclaiming includes slavery as one method of conversion, for those that are defiant and unwilling to give themselves to God, but it is not the only method.

You're welcome!




Several Imperial faithful have clearly stated why you are incorrect, no need to add to that chorus. The Empress (bless her little heart) has the dubious honor of addressing billions of people with her public statements; hence she needs to be very. clear. in. her. wording.

That you refuse to comprehend, or I suspect rather lack the proper neurons to make the appropriate connections, is perhaps a deficiency you should look into before worming your way into an Amarr theology discussion.

But please, keep telling us why you know more about the Reclaiming than the Reclaimers.

They give vitoc to children then expect clone soldiers to 'trust' them. Heh, I'm staying the heck away from Amarr space and so should the rest of them.

That is not the purpose of servitude.

Incorrect about what? The assumption that the soldiers may be on the path to slavery? Sure, I'll concede that, I can't see into the future on how the soliders will be treated. Isn't that the debate?



Ouch....

I can only recount using comments, statements and stories I've read and been privy to via GalNet, IGS and other public sources and relay that as understanding of your ways. If anything, you should berate your brothers and sisters for their lack of understanding and misleading the rest of New Eden and IGS on such matters so we would all be clear on your beliefs.

Oh, but wait, faith can be interpreted by each believer in so many ways, no wonder outsiders are confused.

Right, I forgot that your justification is "To bring savage people to the light of our God" or something along those lines.

The reason why your Empire was able to expand so rapidly was because of Slavery whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You can get things done a lot quicker when you can have thousands of people work for no pay in horrible conditions with nothing more than "God's Will" to justify it.

You can sugar coat it all you want, but at the end of the day, you hold slaves to provide a source of labor. Whether or not it's a bad thing to do is an entirely different debate (I think it is, but that's beside the point). Your Empire uses Slaves to handle labor and whatever your people don't want to do.

What you might claim the reason is, is a justification to your own people and the rest of New Eden.

Kettle. Pot. Black.

Vitalia why do you even care? You're a Sabik, a twisted heretical offshoot of the "true" Amarr religion (according to your own kind). Since you feel the faith the rest of the Empire practices is false why stand up for the government and people who believe in it?

Bear in mind these are my personal opinions and I am in no way speaking for the Empire as a whole.




Would you rather slave overseers withhold Vitoc and allow those children to suffer and die from Vitoxin? Vitoc is a treatment method for managing Vitoxin. Now obviously it would be better to just not use Vitoxin at all, that I'll absolutely agree with. It's a horrible method, but try to remember the distinction between Vitoc and Vitoxin.

As for the rest of the conversation. Slavery is not the only path to a pious and righteous life within the Empire. The Reclaiming is not just about enslaving the rest of humanity. Slavery is (ideally) not about providing a workforce for Imperial efforts. Generational slavery is, at best, a negligent mockery of sacred responsibility to enlighten others. Children are born innocent of the sins of their forebears. To be perfectly honest I find the institution of generational slavery to be a precarious step down a similar path as the followers of Ocilanian interpretation of Scripture.

Now, the Empress has declared that any clone soldiers seeking refuge will be allowed to settle on a planet within the Empire. They will receive medical and psychiatric treatment, vocational training to become productive and potentially able to make their Safe Haven colony self sufficient. They will not be enslaved, they will however not be allowed to leave the colony, presumably until they demonstrate to be sufficiently rehabilitated and pose no real threat to the wider population. I don't see that restriction as anything too dissimilar to rehabilitation and probation of the mentally ill or the criminally convicted within other nations.