EVE General Discussion

No, they don't.

Those were not high-value ships, though.

What does that have to do with it? Does paying a sub mean you get free total protection?

If so, CCP owes me several million dollars worth of real life cash as reimbursement for my pain and suffering...

Paying a sub means access to the game. The game features non-consensual pvp everywhere including high sec, and has since day one. If they don't want to use a game/service that has this kind of pvp, they should not pay a sub/should not be playing EVE.

It's very hard to understand why you can't get these very basic ideas.

As a matter of fact, i was listening in on the action on TS, cause i came home from work to late to be part of this glorious action. It IS a lot of planning and experience. And we arent complaining about our loss, because we figured out we might loose our ships in an action like that. After all, our ships are just some bits and bytes. We take our losses, like the men we pretend to be. Oh and on the matter of us not getting our stuff done in null sec, better do your research the next time. We are playing the game as it is ment to be.

Do this, do that, get your iskies together (oh and boy do they love company, what a wonderful sight to behold)

But i read something truely disturbing in one of the posts.

You actually say, that a group of 5+ shouldnt be able to get to you?

Surely we did the right thing, because: You are mad. There is NO GAME where a single player, should be able to beat 5 (and a couple of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for effect) opponents. You Sir, are clearly insane.

Problem is, MOST games including most MMOs DO pretty much guarantee that "very game experience will conform to your personal ideal notion of what it should be".

Most gamers don't want challenge, they want the illusion of challenge followed by assured victory so they can feel good about themselves and feel less bad about their actual lack of real life athletic ability (lol). That's why (traditional) video game makers don't make impossible to win games, but rather games that are "just hard enough" to be interesting.

Games like EVE buck the trend. It actively punishes you for being stupid, reckless or careless (even in high sec, just much less than in the other areas of the game). That's why EVE is a niche game and folks like you and me love it, if we wanted easy and friendly and assured victory where no one could screw with us, we'd be playing some other game.

But even in EVE the entitled, risk/pain/discomfort averse average gamer still plays, then comes to the forum asking mommie (ccp) to fix their boo-boo for them.

except, it's at an all time low....

…if you choose to spend a lot of time on it, making it a low-reward activity.

If you do it quickly, it's high-loss/middling-reward instead.

Sooo… nerf incursions?

You forgot the most important thing, the stupidity of the target.



The barges did need more fitting room. They did not need more base EHP though, especially the exhumers.

Mining barges were buffed because they were never meant to be profitable to gank (according to CCP anyway). They're also exploding at an historic low, once again according to CCP.

All the buff has managed to achieve is that more miners than ever are AFK ice mining, due to the size of the ore bay, with little or no tank because of the EHP buff, in short, business as usual for miners, no need to adapt and fit a tank to their max yield mining ships, CCP did it for them.

The gankers themselves adapted to the nerf to their playstyle very quickly, they downsized their ships, economised by seeding the market themselves, with the stuff that they need to carry on ganking, and brought more people to the party. The main source of profit in ganking is now in the supply of modules and ships to both the gankers and the ganked, although sometimes the loot fairy smiles upon the gankers and grants them nice drops as a bonus. Gankers aren't stupid, if there is no demand for something that they or someone they know is selling, they will create one, via an aggressive marketing campaign that involves people losing stuff, so that they have to buy new stuff.

Hang on a second... logical disconnect here.

So, you WORKED your way into a Golem (not cheap, not easy skill-wise), but you don't know anything about suicide ganking?!?!

Really?

0/10 for too-obvious of a troll.