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Down with the bots!
I like your work on banning bots very much, especially the new 2strike policy
Thanks for making the worlds best game better every day

I've always been curious about how the RMT/Negative wallet works. If someone sells something to a RMTer, either by accident or supposed collusion (lol eve money laundering), how far do you trace the funds? For example:

An alt Scumbag 1 (SB1): RMTs say 1 Billion
The main Scumbag 2 (SB2): Sells SB1 an item worth ~1 Billion on market.
SB1: Then trades that item to a another alt/player (SB3)
SB3: Sells that item to a random buyer in Jita at nearly the same price (nominal loss on "high ticket" items)
SB3: Gives money to SB2
SB2: Now has the RMTed money and a bit of occurs.
SB1: Gets banned/negative walleted, but who cares, he was an alt.


Sorry if that's complicated, I just absolutely hope the entire chain is brought down, RMTer is literally the death of economies in games.

I am happy to see that the BOT war is falling under more strict punishments. YAY!!!

I am curious on this as other folks in Eve have been curious as well. There is a software called ISBOXER that runs client side where it managed your clients with single key activation. Will this also be addressed in some fashion? Some folks feel that this is wrong. Will there be a new stance on t his where some of these ISBOXER users control anywhere from 4 to 20 some odd toons only to farm isk. Not talking about mining but making ISK from farming in null sec anomalies to empire mission running of some type.

Please I like to hear your thoughts on this

He's Judge Peligro.

If you bother about infosec you should know (hint, there's a rather awkward video available ;)).

But when it comes to RMT CCP has no option.

If you can buy virtual stuff and then sell them then CCP is running a bank, and if do they have to follow the rules of a bank.

(Queue bad jokes about Icelandic banks)

But it's what almost every producer in the world fear (one exception, see if you can remember their name).

I like to hear more about this too!
Run 10 accounts by playing one? 9 Accounts are played by IS Boxer, not the player.

I don't know... after all you're not going to whitelist specific programs

(with 100% less tongue-in-cheekness: I am a bit afraid that one day you will introduce a poorly tested client integrity check that accidentally flags tools such as the ones I mentioned and that getting the permabans undone will be a massive hassle.)

I'm on board with how you're approaching this, I think it's a nice catch-all, but it would also be nice if there were a slightly more explicit rules set.

For example "programs that automatically call functions within EVE that are intended to require player input" or "programs that read information out of the client not normally accessible through the UI."

The only reason for this is that it makes the players feel like they're on slightly more stable ground. The concern is that CCP could pull an EA, who have recently declared a "mod" that allowed offline SimCity play to instead be a "hack", with no clear definition for either. Similarly, while the "that'd be silly" response is reassuring that this certainly won't happen anytime in the immediate future, the door is left open for similar gray areas to be suddenly and nastily declared black, and because of the vagueness of the language and the lack of accompanying guidelines, the grey area is kind of big.

Just a thought. It doesn't even have to be a formal part of the EULA, just a set of guidelines in the wiki or somewhere that enterprising (and well-intended) players developing tools could refer to and gauge whether they're in danger of going over the line.

EDIT: On a different note, with Sreegs gone, who will tend to the Edge of Glory?

Will you also address the concern I voiced on the previous page, namely the one where instances of innocent players being wrongfully banned was basically swept under the rug and ignored until loudly and publicly called on it? Because that past action makes Vera's concerns all the more troublesome.

+1
Key re-broadcasters are becoming more of an issue. Note the issue is NOT "are they bots?" its "do they allow for patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play?"

Or more directly "Should using ISBOXER and the like be considered ordinary game play?" Currently the answer is "Yes", but I think that needs to be changed to "No".

Job well done!Eve will now be much better place