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BREAKING NEWS: Ground Fighting Erupts on Caldari Prime

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Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#121 - 2013-03-18 16:07:27 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The Incursions are rooted, at least in part, due to our compassionate impulses, Ms. Unarmored.


Very funny way of showing it, sort of like one of those abusive relationships you see on daytime views eh?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2013-03-18 16:08:21 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The Incursions are rooted, at least in part, due to our compassionate impulses, Ms. Unarmored.


Very funny way of showing it, sort of like one of those abusive relationships you see on daytime views eh?

This is what I'm talking about when I say they aren't human. Their concept of "compassion" is so alien it's literally unrecogniseable.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#123 - 2013-03-18 16:10:40 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
The point I was making was that, despite the things that Nation does, the Nationals in this thread have been speaking with more concern for the well-being of others.

It's not real concern, you gullible cow.

Let me make it simple for you, since clearly you're not particularly well-atuned to subtlety: Sansha don't have emotions. They don't feel compassion. Their brains do not function like human brains do. What you see is a (remarkably poor, now that I mention it) facade meant to give the impression of speaking to a human, but it's barely even as convincing as Synthetic Cultist or Constructed Adept. When I say that Sansha aren't even remotely human you need to understand that that isn't simply a bon mot I use for the purposes of political propaganda, that's an actual fact of their existence.

Scherezad wrote:
Even if their view of compassion is not the same as your own, they have been speaking with that compassion more firmly seated in their minds.

Literally all the True Slave Foundation actually do in space is blow random people's ships up. Do you honestly think that a few words on a forum makes up for that?


I like how you think you know what we do, while so fundamentally understanding what we are, who we are, why we are.

Please continue thinking this, I guess.

Yes, we blow up enemy ships. Are you saying this is a bad thing, now? If so, I have to wonder why you joined the militia...
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#124 - 2013-03-18 16:12:37 UTC
I didn't join the milita, so I'll bite and say yes.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2013-03-18 16:13:09 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I like how you think you know what we do, while so fundamentally understanding what we are, who we are, why we are.

That's because I've had first-hand experience. You're far too caught-up in this farce of an exercise attempting to paint me as a psychotic (good job, there, you've convinced a few Sansha shills and a couple of State trolls of no significance to anyone and precisely no-one else) to actually ask why it is that I believe these things.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#126 - 2013-03-18 16:16:01 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I like how you think you know what we do, while so fundamentally understanding what we are, who we are, why we are.

That's because I've had first-hand experience. You're far too caught-up in this farce of an exercise attempting to paint me as a psychotic (good job, there, you've convinced a few Sansha shills and a couple of State trolls of no significance to anyone and precisely no-one else) to actually ask why it is that I believe these things.


I too am wondering why you're attempting to paint him as some form of psychotic Tibs. Bad Sansha! The man is fully capable of doing so himself, leave him his dignity at least... ah...

Anyway, there's a long distance between psychosis and delusion. The former implies some level of credible threat.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#127 - 2013-03-18 16:17:03 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The Incursions are rooted, at least in part, due to our compassionate impulses, Ms. Unarmored.


Very funny way of showing it, sort of like one of those abusive relationships you see on daytime views eh?


Arguement: The CONCORD signatories turned over a large portion of their power and decision making ability to an agency which then propagated a technology that allows people like Andreus (and worse than Andreus) to pilot spaceships armed to the brim with weaponry, and instituted no control over how they do this. They have recently authorized these pilots to shoot at, exclusively, temperate planets.

The empires and nations of the CONCORD covenant have thusly clearly demonstrated that they are incapable of effective self rulership. From our point of view, it is an act of ultimate mercy to remove these ill managed institutions in favor of one which manages itself effectively.

In addition, we are involved in several charitable initiatives aimed at defeating death itself. The whole thing. Not just curing a single disease, or stopping a particular massacre, but making each and every single human being immortal, free from the heretofore inescapable death sentence of unimproved biology.

So, yes, compassion underpins what we do. You may not agree with the results, but it would be incorrect to claim that it isn't there.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#128 - 2013-03-18 16:17:25 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
to actually ask why it is that I believe these things.



Did Uncle Kuvakei touch you in your special place as a child?


Jesting aside Dear Ixiris perhaps you both should start a new, special thread for the argument.

Or a duel. Or public debate! I'd love to moderate!

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#129 - 2013-03-18 16:17:34 UTC
I bounced this thread off of an intern who I then tasked with fabricating a rather informal document, which however brief I feel will be adequate in response to the behavior demonstrated here.

For those interested in the below you should send me a private message with a 'verified' kill-mail, or indeed just to ask questions if you wish.

The aim is not to cause wanton destruction, but I find that wealth and violence are useful lures for Capsuleers. Instead I am hoping that in the course of the following some entrepreneurial pilot will take opportunity to cash in on the so-called 'BONUS' rewards.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#130 - 2013-03-18 16:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinzel Nikulainen
FOR PUBLIC DISSEMINATION. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY:

Kōkako Acquisitions [KŌKAK] hereby EFFECTIVE UPON RELEASE of this document will reward any Capsuleer a sum of 10,000,000ISK (ten million) [from here on ‘PAYMENT] upon confirmed ship destruction or pod destruction of pilot 'Andreus Ixiris' [from here on ‘THE BOUNTY’]

Please be aware this offer is under effect of the following

STIPULATIONS:

KŌKAK note that eligibility of payment or PAYMENT granted may vary due to the following terms which are that

a) no Federation Militia pilot may claim PAYMENT and also that

b) in the interest of reaching a broad scope of participants Caldari Militia pilots may only be eligible to a PAYMENT of 5,000,000ISK (five million) per claim and also that

c) a party may only be eligible to claim PAYMENT if they are able to prove that they dealt the 'killing blow' to THE BOUNTY via CONCORD kill logs and also that

d) PAYMENT may only be received if the estimated market value of the vessel lost under command of THE BOUNTY exceeds 13,000,000ISK (thirteen million) and that

e) KŌKAK may withhold PAYMENT under any circumstances in which foul play is suspected

LIMITS:

The maximum claimable amount is a pool of 500,000,000ISK (five hundred million)

There are no limits to the amount of times a pilot may claim PAYMENT unless in breach of the above STIPULATIONS

The deadline for this fund will be given as TWO WEEKS after 50,000,000ISK (fifty million) have been claimed in PAYMENT.





BONUSES:

In addition to the above a reward of 30,000,000ISK (thirty million) is being offered if the following conditions are fulfilled (this amount will not contribute towards the PAYMENT ceiling and may only be redeemed ONCE on a first come first serve basis)

The conditions read

a) following confirmed pod destruction of THE BOUNTY that within ONE HOUR

b) the corpse of THE BOUNTY is secured and contracted to a suitable authority for forensic analysis and that

c) verifiable evidence of said pod destruction, completion of exchange contract both with time-stamps and accreditation of trusted 'authority' can be provided

ALTERNATIVELY

d) the live capture of THE BOUNTY and delivery to determined suitable authority for neural analysis in which case this BONUS will amount to 100,000,000ISK (one hundred million)

e) in the case of live capture and analysis after the BONUS has been redeemed for the retrieval of the corpse of THE BOUNTY the claimant will still be eligible for the amount of 70,000,000ISK (seventy million) however

f) these opportunities are subject to the whim of KŌKAK; the BONUS sum may be withheld if KŌKAK have any reason to doubt the competence of said analytic authority, or are not satisfied with the thoroughness of the analysis, or any other reason in which the claimant is deemed to be unfit

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#131 - 2013-03-18 16:18:24 UTC
Quite frankly you are all psychotic, but at least Ixiris doesn't force people in a Nation against their will. There is that stickler in the comparison.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#132 - 2013-03-18 16:18:50 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
It's not real concern, you gullible cow.

Let me make it simple for you, since clearly you're not particularly well-atuned to subtlety: Sansha don't have emotions. They don't feel compassion. Their brains do not function like human brains do. What you see is a (remarkably poor, now that I mention it) facade meant to give the impression of speaking to a human, but it's barely even as convincing as Synthetic Cultist or Constructed Adept. When I say that Sansha aren't even remotely human you need to understand that that isn't simply a bon mot I use for the purposes of political propaganda, that's an actual fact of their existence.


Thank you for the clarification, sir - perhaps my own brain trauma conflicts with my ability to think rationally on the subject. I'd be very pleased if you could go into more detail on the nature of their non-humanity, if possible, sir. Isomorphic brain structure is a particular field of interest of mine. Are you suggesting a simple drop in dimensionality, or a more subtle redirection?

Also - I have been called a cow a few times now. Is that a bad thing? They make milk, and people eat them for steak (poor things). Are they considered ignoble animals? I've looked at some pictures, and they seem rather majestic.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Literally all the True Slave Foundation actually do in space is blow random people's ships up. Do you honestly think that a few words on a forum makes up for that?


I have asked them on this point in the past. They do this because they consider Capsuleers to be a tremendous evil visited upon the Cluster for all of our wanton violence and tendency to degrade into dementia. They attack Capsuleers in order to discourage us from undocking. I don't think that they are achieving their goals, but the goal of reducing violence is noble - albeit hard to justify when one uses violence as the tool to do so.
Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#133 - 2013-03-18 16:19:39 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Quite frankly you are all psychotic, but at least Ixiris doesn't force people in a Nation against their will. There is that stickler in the comparison.


unless they reside in the Gall/Cal CEWPA warzone, you mean?

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2013-03-18 16:19:48 UTC
Only five hundred million? Chump change, Quinzel. If you feel so strongly, in fact, why don't you come out here and fight me yourself, you bitter shrew?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2013-03-18 16:20:56 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Thank you for the clarification, sir - perhaps my own brain trauma conflicts with my ability to think rationally on the subject.

Yep, that's pretty likely.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#136 - 2013-03-18 16:21:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kallo Unarmored
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The Incursions are rooted, at least in part, due to our compassionate impulses, Ms. Unarmored.


Very funny way of showing it, sort of like one of those abusive relationships you see on daytime views eh?


Arguement: The CONCORD signatories turned over a large portion of their power and decision making ability to an agency which then propagated a technology that allows people like Andreus (and worse than Andreus) to pilot spaceships armed to the brim with weaponry, and instituted no control over how they do this. They have recently authorized these pilots to shoot at, exclusively, temperate planets.

The empires and nations of the CONCORD covenant have thusly clearly demonstrated that they are incapable of effective self rulership. From our point of view, it is an act of ultimate mercy to remove these ill managed institutions in favor of one which manages itself effectively.

In addition, we are involved in several charitable initiatives aimed at defeating death itself. The whole thing. Not just curing a single disease, or stopping a particular massacre, but making each and every single human being immortal, free from the heretofore inescapable death sentence of unimproved biology.

So, yes, compassion underpins what we do. You may not agree with the results, but it would be incorrect to claim that it isn't there.



Alright, CONCORD is also set up to do some good too so first off lets not compare all the bad of one side with all the good of another. The Empires think us DUST projects are crazy, not stupid.

Second, those charitable initiatives also help your Nation as well either in the fact of defeating death or at least looking like you are helping while forcing others to join against their will. No matter how much good you do, or think you are doing it is kind of hard to get past that little fact.

Second, Yes CONCORD can be full of crap but the underlying principle is needed because those small little orbital strikes would be a lot bigger without them. I've seen those strikes; they just punch a hole through a few buildings. It really isn't that serious.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#137 - 2013-03-18 16:24:05 UTC
Scherezad, he is trying to indicate one of two things. Either he believes that you are "slow" or "dim-witted" (Cows are, traditionally, not particularly intelligent animals), or that you get through life on the power of your breasts.

Either way, he has proven that he is not capable of dealing with you in good faith.
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#138 - 2013-03-18 16:24:34 UTC
Solarienne wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Quite frankly you are all psychotic, but at least Ixiris doesn't force people in a Nation against their will. There is that stickler in the comparison.


unless they reside in the Gall/Cal CEWPA warzone, you mean?


"Even if its conscription happening, and I don't know if it is, it does mean after they can go home and think on their own. This means not networked, not forced to act again, yadda yadda.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#139 - 2013-03-18 16:25:56 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Bounty Listing


My own experiments with the CONCORD bounty system have proven it's uselessness. I've spread around roughly 60 times that amount for personal amusement to limited results.

I imagine with Ixiris if you want to change his behavior you'll have to do so personally. Although he's lovingly stubborn in that department *blows kiss*

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#140 - 2013-03-18 16:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinzel Nikulainen
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Only five hundred million? Chump change, Quinzel. If you feel so strongly, in fact, why don't you come out here and fight me yourself, you bitter shrew?


It's a pool of six hundred million if you read.

You weren't worth any more, so yes, it's chump change.

Silas Vitalia wrote:

My own experiments with the CONCORD bounty system have proven it's uselessness.



Hence why I avoid it.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.