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Is High Sec a Mith?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#81 - 2013-03-18 14:02:20 UTC
evedawn wrote:


Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!


Above all, EVE is a game that demands a kind of personal responsibility. It was YOUR responsibility to learn the in and outs of the game BEFORE undocking 3 billion isk worth of spaceship. The game (and CCP) didn't fail you, YOU failed you.

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Still think High Sec is a mith & the game is unbalanced towards or for the aggressor with skills. In other words bully training in motion...


Every game that is worth playing favors a skilled aggressor, otherwise it wouldn't be a game. And really, "bully training"? Why were you flying a space ship with missile launchers on it if you think the world should be happy happy sunshine?

You're a real piece of work, mate.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#82 - 2013-03-18 14:10:13 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.

I say if you want to gank people thats fine but it should cost you and anyone involved. This seemed to worked well for the miners. Macks seem still be on the profit list but rifter ganks have fallen off substantially. WHY? No profit in it.


People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. Something needs to be in place to remove the profit margin for using high dps ships with no effort put in to them to kill ships people have worked hard to obtain.

Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.


Perfect case in point. This poster thinks EVE would be better if it weren't EVE.

In EVE, you should not fly what you cannot afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose the big shiney ship, you should not undock. I run incursions in a 3 billion isk Machariel, and if i don't have 3 billion isk in a wallet somewhere or at least 3 bil worth of stuff i can sell and don't need), i don't undock it at all, because even though it's rare, ship losses can happen in high sec incursions.

When I lost a vindicator in an incursions, I had the isk on hand to buy at least 1 more, and did so 20 minutes later. If a person can't do that but still flys shiney ships, their fault when they can't replace it.

And yes, ganking should be profitable if the targeted player:

A- undocks a ship full o shiney

and

B- does not take proper precautions/safety measures before undocking.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#83 - 2013-03-18 14:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.

I say if you want to gank people thats fine but it should cost you and anyone involved. This seemed to worked well for the miners. Macks seem still be on the profit list but rifter ganks have fallen off substantially. WHY? No profit in it.


People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. Something needs to be in place to remove the profit margin for using high dps ships with no effort put in to them to kill ships people have worked hard to obtain.

Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.


CCP already nerfed suicide ganking profitabilty by removing the insurance payout from ships that get Concordokkened, crimewatch 2.0 has also affected it by giving killrights for initial aggression rather than actual destruction and global combat flagging for acts that previously only gave combat flagging to an affected group of players. I don't see many threads by the gankers bemoaning the changes, initially there was some whining, but they've adapted to the new dynamic and still successfully ply their trade in highsec, maybe the gankees should take a leaf from their book and do the same.

Highsec is technically safer now than it has been at any time in the past, and some people are still asking for it to be safer still, they are the people that would kill Eve, given half a chance, and turn it into a vague copy of what it once was.

Edit - I dabble in both PvE and suicide ganking others for profit and fun, mainly fun, but there is profit to be had by supplying the ganked with replacement stuff. Any changes to highsec mechanics affect both of my chosen activities so I have a vested interest in the status quo

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-03-18 14:37:00 UTC
So,

Considering the OP has been concorded before. And hasn't posted since page one, I'll say decent job on troll for making 5 pages.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-03-18 14:44:44 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.


Then don't fit modules that make it profitable, you are just giving people and incentive to kill you.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Sorlac
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#86 - 2013-03-18 14:48:21 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.


"It"'s not a problem.


Seem to be a problem for the subscribing OP as well as others like him/her


Then the problem is they subscribed to the wrong game; maybe they should have done just a little bit of research into the game before buying it.

If the OP had taken just a few precautionary measures they never would have been ganked to begin with. Hopefully they will take this opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and not expect to be coddled in the future.
Theron Vetrus
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-03-18 15:06:43 UTC
evedawn wrote:
If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do?????


Osmon is a well-known mission hub and ice mining system. By definition, it is also therefore a prime target for piracy. CCP has already gone above and beyond helping carebears protect their ships. The rest is up to you.

Being a budding pirate myself, I will let you in on a little secret: Mission runners can be summed up in one word - predictable. Next time, don't make yourself such an easy target.

Take what you can, give nothing back. Psychotic Monk for CSM8
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-03-18 15:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

...lots of good points...

Highsec is technically safer now than it has been at any time in the past, and some people are still asking for it to be safer still, they are the people that would kill Eve, given half a chance, and turn it into a vague copy of what it once was.



This is why the road to nerfdom and scourge of carebear advocacy must be stopped dead in its tracks, each time its head appears like whack-a-mole we must knock it down.

We must as a community stop the ever continuing nerfs to hisec tear collection. Carebears think they are safe, they are not and never should be.

While CCP claims to agree with this philosophy, over time the actions (nerfs) taken prove otherwise with a worrying trend.

Would you like to know more?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#89 - 2013-03-18 15:45:09 UTC
Posting in stealth nerf-hisec thread. False-flag carebear alt of a nullbear is obvious.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Zark Darkfigure
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-03-18 15:59:20 UTC
Thxs for the applause
Thxs for the shitstorm
Thxs for the wonderful carebeartearshower
Thxs for motivation
Thxs for the lols

we wondered why there is no crying, but this thread will fill our bios for decades

Osmon carebears need to get their fur shaved to milk more valuable tears

carebeartears is like spice, it fuels us

Plz donate bounty if you like our ganking art...
horpaskron
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-03-18 16:09:13 UTC
As a neutral third party that has been observing this thread i wish the TO my best of luck. These people safed your soul!

As a matter of fact, YOU were going to fight in a mission. Possibly dozens of Battleships on the other side. And YOU were going to kill every single crewmen by blowing up every single ship. This is a horrible death indeed. What my friends did was in a way, stop a serial killer (aka YOU) from killing more people. WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS!

1 dead ship vs. thousands of crewmen...

A good choice!
Namdor
#92 - 2013-03-18 16:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Namdor
evedawn wrote:
A Very Dissatisfied player!!!


Oh, no! Stay where you are, someone from the customer satisfaction assurance team will be with you shortly. Roll


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Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station.


Good.


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What is the point of wardec's or faction warfare if you can get a team of 5 guys in high Sec with heavy fitted Teir 3 BC's & insta pop a 3 bil isk ship who has no connection with these idiots???


Well, the point of wardecs is to allow them to do the same thing without getting Concordokkened. It's all about tradeoffs, in Eve.

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I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!!


I can think of five people who disagree with you, though. Lol

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I have worked hard & long hours to earn this ship for a easy kill from someone I didnt even know existed & thought just because they could pop me for being in the same place they were in, a supposidly "High Security" area.......... JOKE Joke!

CCP a very serious question if you wont honest missionaries to wont to play this game?

If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do?????

Is that true???? Is High Sec a mith???


No, high sec is not a myth. It's a real place. It just doesn't mean what you think it means.

Supermax prisons are "high security" areas, too. People still get shivved there, though, right?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#93 - 2013-03-18 16:12:57 UTC
horpaskron wrote:
As a neutral third party that has been observing this thread i wish the TO my best of luck. These people safed your soul!

As a matter of fact, YOU were going to fight in a mission. Possibly dozens of Battleships on the other side. And YOU were going to kill every single crewmen by blowing up every single ship. This is a horrible death indeed. What my friends did was in a way, stop a serial killer (aka YOU) from killing more people. WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS!

1 dead ship vs. thousands of crewmen...

A good choice!


Well, played sir! +1
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#94 - 2013-03-18 16:13:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.
Why not? If someone presents a crapton of valuable loot in a easy-to-shoot ship, it sure as hell should be profitable to go after him.

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People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game.
They don't have to be. They just have to be smart about it and adjust their flying to fit what they choose to undock in.

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Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.
It's not a problem to begin with, so there's nothing to remove.


So you dont understand the difference between carrying around a bunch of loot or fitting your ship?

Smart has nothing to do with it. This person could be running a mission and get ganked.

Again it is a problem for the people getting ganked. They worked hard to make thier big nice shiny ships and they shouldnt be vunerable to a few low cost high dps fit ships.

You guys scream risk vs reward non stop on these forum. This should be no different. Gankers should not be able to use little effort and destroy high value targets.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#95 - 2013-03-18 16:19:29 UTC
Sorlac wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.


"It"'s not a problem.


Seem to be a problem for the subscribing OP as well as others like him/her


Then the problem is they subscribed to the wrong game; maybe they should have done just a little bit of research into the game before buying it.

If the OP had taken just a few precautionary measures they never would have been ganked to begin with. Hopefully they will take this opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and not expect to be coddled in the future.


Thats your opinion and your entitled to it no matter how wrong. People need a sence of balance in any game. This is not balanced at this point. People can fit high dps low cost fits and make a profit. Let em make thier profit in low/null. Oh wait they cant because people are fit and ready for pvp thier most times. They may get thier arse handed to them.
Namdor
#96 - 2013-03-18 16:21:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Namdor
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:


So you dont understand the difference between carrying around a bunch of loot or fitting your ship?

Smart has nothing to do with it. This person could be running a mission and get ganked.


Uh... if they're *smart*, it is very unlikely that will get ganked.

"Smart" could be accomplished any number of ways in this scenario.

-Don't needlessly bling your mission ship. This will make you an unattractive target and, thus, unlikely to be ganked.

-If you do needlessly bling your mission ship, use instant-undocks when leaving the station and keep an eye on your D-scan for combat probes/nearby ships while you're in your missions.

This will not give you perfect safety, but you're not supposed to have perfect safety. It will keep you generally safe, however. Avoid stargates and you will be EXTREMELY safe, even in a blinged ship.


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Again it is a problem for the people getting ganked.


Otherwise known as a "personal problem". It's not a problem for the GAME that they got ganked. It's a problem for them, and only for them.

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They worked hard to make thier big nice shiny ships and they shouldnt be vunerable to a few low cost high dps fit ships.


If it's so important to them, they should take some simple common-sense steps to protect it.
Josef Djugashvilis
#97 - 2013-03-18 16:25:15 UTC
evedawn wrote:
A Very Dissatisfied player!!!

Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station.
What is the point of wardec's or faction warfare if you can get a team of 5 guys in high Sec with heavy fitted Teir 3 BC's & insta pop a 3 bil isk ship who has no connection with these idiots???

I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!!

I have worked hard & long hours to earn this ship for a easy kill from someone I didnt even know existed & thought just because they could pop me for being in the same place they were in, a supposidly "High Security" area.......... JOKE Joke!

CCP a very serious question if you wont honest missionaries to wont to play this game?

If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do?????

Is that true???? Is High Sec a mith???



This is the wrong game to be saying this.

This is not a signature.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2013-03-18 16:25:55 UTC
*ahem taloses and nados cost a lot

the dps/concord calculations have to be correct, everyone has to do their part, the target mustn't have support. the gank does have chances of failure

even then the expensive target mods may simply not drop

failure means the entire gank squad (which costs a lot) is lost

gankers make it look easy when they're competent and experienced

and when the gank is 'just for the mail', what 'reward' are we talking about? there is none. unless you want to try to put an isk value on a kill report? something that can never be sold?
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#99 - 2013-03-18 16:29:33 UTC
evedawn wrote:
A Very Dissatisfied player!!!

Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station.
What is the point of wardec's or faction warfare if you can get a team of 5 guys in high Sec with heavy fitted Teir 3 BC's & insta pop a 3 bil isk ship who has no connection with these idiots???

I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!!

I have worked hard & long hours to earn this ship for a easy kill from someone I didnt even know existed & thought just because they could pop me for being in the same place they were in, a supposidly "High Security" area.......... JOKE Joke!

CCP a very serious question if you wont honest missionaries to wont to play this game?

If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do?????

Is that true???? Is High Sec a mith???



Instapopped in a Golem? Shocked

Wasn't paying attention? Didn't see people locking you? Didn't turn on your hardeners?

Ganking expensive ships to get a good drop is a well known passtime in highsec, you should at least pay attention to your surroundings..What?

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Josef Djugashvilis
#100 - 2013-03-18 16:29:44 UTC
Just checked OP Eve birth date: 2008

Has to be a troll, and a poor one at that.

I do not normally insult folk in Eve, but in this case I am seriously tempted.

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