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BREAKING NEWS: Ground Fighting Erupts on Caldari Prime

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Knoot Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-03-18 12:41:12 UTC
And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Gallente Mercenaries fighting against Caldari soldiers on Home.

How can anyone still doubt that this is not an "uprising" by the locals, but an outright act of war, funded and quite possibly carried out by Federal intelligence forces.

The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-03-18 12:45:39 UTC
Knoot Enderas wrote:
The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.

No it doesn't. There is nothing in Gallente space the Caldari have even a shred of a claim to.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-03-18 12:52:04 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Knoot Enderas wrote:
The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.

No it doesn't. There is nothing in Gallente space the Caldari have even a shred of a claim to.


Beyond our home world, you mean?

~Malcolm Khross
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-03-18 12:55:55 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Beyond our home world, you mean?

Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-03-18 13:10:09 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.


Allowed?

Congratulations, you have just validated everything the Provists keep saying about you and your Federation.

~Malcolm Khross
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-03-18 13:13:38 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Allowed?

Congratulations, you have just validated everything the Provists keep saying about you and your Federation.

Apparently that's what we need to become to survive. Blame yourselves, if you blame anyone.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#47 - 2013-03-18 13:28:54 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.


It falls on the Federation for there to be peace between our people. We are simply trying to exist without your Federation imposing their freedom upon us.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Apparently that's what we need to become to survive. Blame yourselves, if you blame anyone.


I picture that one day, the Federation will plant it's flag on Athra. When met with Amarrian hostilities, they will reason that they must become genociders to survive.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-03-18 13:37:12 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
I picture that one day, the Federation will plant it's flag on Athra. When met with Amarrian hostilities, they will reason that they must become genociders to survive.

If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#49 - 2013-03-18 13:39:35 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?


Consider pursuing mental evaluation.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-03-18 13:40:23 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Consider pursuing mental evaluation.

Consider kissing a part of my anatomy CRC regulations prevent me from naming publicly.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Kares Shahzu
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-03-18 13:42:23 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?


Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.

"If that's what it takes..." is a very dangerous opening preposition and often justifies the most heinous of evil acts.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#52 - 2013-03-18 13:44:51 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Consider kissing a part of my anatomy CRC regulations prevent me from naming publicly.


Consideration rejected.

Hows about making a tangible argument for once that doesn't indicate you as being a psychotic loose cannon?

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-03-18 13:45:08 UTC
Kares Shahzu wrote:
Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.

"If that's what it takes..." is a very dangerous opening preposition and often justifies the most heinous of evil acts.

The survival of the Federation clearly cannot be ensured by taking the moral high-ground at every opportunity. That just gets us stamped upon by the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.

If becoming monsters to fight monsters is what it takes, then that's what it takes, clearly.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#54 - 2013-03-18 13:46:22 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
I picture that one day, the Federation will plant it's flag on Athra. When met with Amarrian hostilities, they will reason that they must become genociders to survive.

If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?


Wait a second.

I can think of at least two situations where the Gallente have been responsible for things which could be termed attempted genocides.

I can not think of a situation where the Gallente have been the victims.

Which of your enemies is attempting to commit a genocide against the Gallente, Andreus?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-03-18 13:47:57 UTC
Sorry, can't answer your question. Don't talk to subhumans.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Kares Shahzu
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-03-18 13:49:27 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
That just gets us stamped upon by the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.


Yet here you are, claiming the moral high ground even now. The hypocrisy, of course, is that you dehumanize everyone that you consider your enemy so that you may regard them with the venomous animosity you are consistently displaying.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#57 - 2013-03-18 13:51:08 UTC
That's a shame, because it is a question which deserves an answer.

You say that your enemies have no compunction against genocide. History shows this is clearly not the case, whereas the side you are arguing for has on two seperate occasions led genocidal assaults, against my People, and against the Caldari.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-03-18 13:52:20 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
against my People

See, there's your problem.

There weren't any.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#59 - 2013-03-18 13:52:34 UTC
Ensuring the survival of anything is impossible, and therefor ultimately pointless, all things come to an end.
Nothing we do matters to anyone but ourselves.

If people only realized this, we could have peace. Not that it matters.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#60 - 2013-03-18 13:54:47 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
against my People

See, there's your problem.

There weren't any.


Well, this is an interesting shift.