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Eve - New Player Isk Making ?

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Lithic Auduin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-17 02:28:32 UTC
Hey guys, I am trying to learn as much as possible about EVE since I started, atm im usally in cruisers I have around 1mil SP atm. I am having issues making ISK And dont really feel comfortable PVPING without isk to support my PVP'ing.

I am asking you guys the veterans for some help on this subject, I have looked on the internet and alot of stuff is old and tricks that don't work and some that are to general.

I am doing Sec2 missions in brutor atm , but they are like 200k INCLUDING bonus and I can really only do 2-3 in a hour even though I one shot stuff because of the targets/speed/traveling.


I am wondering if anyone can give me a hand in making some isk with tips/ideas etc.

Can I make good isk pirating? If so how do I do it succesfully and where is a good place?
Where do you find jet-can miners to mess with
Where is a good mission hub to complete fast missions ?


Anything you guys can aoffer I will appreciate, the EVE community so far has always been a huge help.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-17 02:34:12 UTC
pirating is a good way to loose isk not gain it. most pirates I know have secondary income sources.
if you commit suspect acts you are now flagged for everyone in system, not just the person your offending.
The location of the mission in high sec has little to do with the quality of the payout. Just use the agent finder for the faction you choose to work for and ensure you are using the highest qualitly of agent available to you. Also there are corportations that recruit new players and let you tag along on lvl 4 missions which helps out alot to get on your feet when your newer.
Lithic Auduin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-17 02:56:48 UTC
How do you know whether an agent is of higher quality? Im not sure how to tell whether an agent will pay well or not ? Do you know of any good hubs for wither Mini or Gallente sec 2 ?
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#4 - 2013-03-17 03:29:52 UTC
I would say that missions is one of the best way for a new player to make some fast ISK. Remember to loot and salvage your missions since this can give you items and materials you might find useful, and especially in the lower missions you can find a few implants and similar.
If you have trouble finding agents i would advice you to use this site http://eve-agents.com/ which allows you to sort things very easely.

But also keep in mind you dont need to have overexspensive ships to PVP. Something that many younger players think is that the bigger the ship the better, but in EVE this is not always the case, with all ships having its drawbacks or its field of expertise.

So if your just starting out in PVP, get a frig, go to low sec or whatever with your corp members and have some fun! Dont worry about your KB stats, but consider it a learning exsperiense and it will allow you to get used to the idea of having to think about who you attack and when.

Have fun and good luck! Smile
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-03-17 03:39:51 UTC
the fastest way of making isk is buying a PLEX with RL money. there is nothing more miserable than a new player farming low level missions for hours to buy a ship which he then loses in 5 minutes.
i'm not saying you should not run missions, just do not let it become another job.

I should buy an Ishtar.

terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-17 03:49:32 UTC
Station trading.
Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-17 07:16:40 UTC
Lithic Auduin wrote:
Hey guys, I am trying to learn as much as possible about EVE since I started, atm im usally in cruisers I have around 1mil SP atm. I am having issues making ISK And dont really feel comfortable PVPING without isk to support my PVP'ing.

I am asking you guys the veterans for some help on this subject, I have looked on the internet and alot of stuff is old and tricks that don't work and some that are to general.

I am doing Sec2 missions in brutor atm , but they are like 200k INCLUDING bonus and I can really only do 2-3 in a hour even though I one shot stuff because of the targets/speed/traveling.


I am wondering if anyone can give me a hand in making some isk with tips/ideas etc.

Can I make good isk pirating? If so how do I do it succesfully and where is a good place?
Where do you find jet-can miners to mess with
Where is a good mission hub to complete fast missions ?


Anything you guys can aoffer I will appreciate, the EVE community so far has always been a huge help.


In order ...

Good isk pirating either involves patient stalking of faction-rattters, or suicide ganking freighters in 0.5 systems with cheap ships and enough friends.

No idea where jet can miners hang out. Be very aware of recent aggression changes.

All mission hubs are now the same. Be aware two of the things missionhubs get you is faction rep, to unlock higher level missions - the real money is in level 4s - and loyalty points, which can be turned into things to trade for isk.

If you want to make some money while PvPing, try faction warfare. Successfully orbiting the odd hub should get you enough LP to turn into more frigates.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-17 12:51:50 UTC
Anybody who still jet-can mine is a moron.

The recent mining barge changes makes jet-can mining totally obsolete.

A Retriever / Mackinaw can hold more ores internally then you can fit in a jet-can, so why even bother making it.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-03-17 13:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
Lithic Auduin wrote:
How do you know whether an agent is of higher quality? Im not sure how to tell whether an agent will pay well or not ? Do you know of any good hubs for wither Mini or Gallente sec 2 ?


AFAIK, as I was looking for that information myself, agent quality is now equal.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2316

the LP and ISK payouts are determined by the sec status of the system the agent is in. lower sec status = higher payouts

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#10 - 2013-03-17 19:18:17 UTC
All of the other posters have failed to mention this, but an excellent way for new players to make isk is ninja looting, especially if you intend to become a pirate. Ninja looting is the practice of probing down people who are running level 4 missions, then warping in with a fast, cheap ship and stealing the loot from their wrecks. It is both fun and profitable. Once you get the hang of it, you can pretty reliably make 15-30 million isk per hour, with minimal skills.

Ninja looting is also a great way to break yourself out of the habit of thinking like a carebear. It is a form of piracy in its own right. You will be on grid with ships much larger than your own who can and sometimes do shoot at you. You will get to enjoy their tears in local chat and begin to accumulate a personal bounty (for pirates the size of your bounty is kind of like a way of keeping score). If you want to know more, there is an article about it in my blog. Just click on my signature.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-17 23:28:04 UTC
Join Faction Warfare and run small and novice plexes in a fast small ship. You do not even have to PVP if you are prepared to run away a lot.

Turn the loyalty points you get into Datacores at the Loyalty point stores, then sell the datacores in Jita.

You should comfortably be able to clear 50 million an hour.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#12 - 2013-03-18 06:35:52 UTC
By far the best ISK/hour for solo, non-PVP activities for a new player seems to be running l2 security missions and salvaging everything. Your profits will be in the top 15% of salvage drops (there's three salvage drops that sell for over 100k ISK and cruiser rats will sometimes drop 3-5 of them)

Once you get to the point that you can handle l4 sec missions, CONCORD bounties from mission rats will be a significant income source, especially if you pick and choose missions.

You will need to group up with, compete with or kill other players to get the more lucrative income sources, however. Manipulating the market, running incursions, wormhole sites, or just good old fashioned killing people and taking their stuff all offer much more ISK/hr. The last is the most fun.

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dark heartt
#13 - 2013-03-18 08:25:03 UTC
You can do exploration, or salvage the wrecks from your missions as another alternative as well.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#14 - 2013-03-19 11:54:18 UTC
The ISK in missions is not in their agent's ISK reward. It's mainly in bounties, salvage and by selling off what can be bought with LP.
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#15 - 2013-03-19 12:38:23 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
All of the other posters have failed to mention this, but an excellent way for new players to make isk is ninja looting, especially if you intend to become a pirate. Ninja looting is the practice of probing down people who are running level 4 missions, then warping in with a fast, cheap ship and stealing the loot from their wrecks. It is both fun and profitable. Once you get the hang of it, you can pretty reliably make 15-30 million isk per hour, with minimal skills.

Those figures are very much the higher end bracket and involve a lot of luck. Yes you will sometimes hit jackpot, find a Gone Berserk and make 30 mil. But a lot of the time you'll find drone missions (not worth looting), you'll get NPC aggro (waste time warping away and back), find the mission runner is looting as he goes or has an alt/friend, or warps out as soon as you appear, etc. There are many pitfalls which reduce your income. A more realistic average is around 5-10 mil an hour. That still makes it an excellent career for a newbie, and the risk is very low. Even if you do get shot, you've only lost a 500k frigate.
Ilkahn
Ideal Mechanisms
#16 - 2013-03-19 21:13:40 UTC
Your level 1 and 2 missions aren't really worth salvaging IMO. Go in, kill and bail. Blitz the missions, grind till you puke and get your lvl 3 mission agents open. Agent qualities are all the same, don't worry about that. BUT, don't run for every agent, pick 1 lvl 1 agent and run him till the L2 you want opens, then run him till the L3 agent you want opens, etc. This is very important for the mission grinder.

Lvl 3 start to drop what will feel like serious isk into your wallet by completion and salvage. Once you open your 4's complete those and salvage as well.

It won't take long to get 100M isk up. From there, consider yourself rich and in time you'll be sitting on billions of isk in gear and liquid isk so long as you play smart. Go blow it all up in PVP if you like then rinse and repeat. Some like to see if they can attain the next billion till they have more isk than the biggest alliances.

It's your game, play it how you like. Best of luck to you, fly safe and enjoy a great game.
Grendel Sickswitch
#17 - 2013-03-19 22:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Grendel Sickswitch
Lithic Auduin wrote:
Hey guys, I am trying to learn as much as possible about EVE since I started, atm im usally in cruisers I have around 1mil SP atm. I am having issues making ISK And dont really feel comfortable PVPING without isk to support my PVP'ing.

I am asking you guys the veterans for some help on this subject, I have looked on the internet and alot of stuff is old and tricks that don't work and some that are to general.

I am doing Sec2 missions in brutor atm , but they are like 200k INCLUDING bonus and I can really only do 2-3 in a hour even though I one shot stuff because of the targets/speed/traveling.


I am wondering if anyone can give me a hand in making some isk with tips/ideas etc.

Can I make good isk pirating? If so how do I do it succesfully and where is a good place?
Where do you find jet-can miners to mess with
Where is a good mission hub to complete fast missions ?


Anything you guys can aoffer I will appreciate, the EVE community so far has always been a huge help.


i'm ninja salvaging level 4 missions (as a noob) atm and it's good money. average for me is 20m an hour. if i get two good missions in a row i could easily do 35-40m. i've run into the rats a few times and had no problems warping out. haven't had any trouble from mission runners either, they generally don't seem to care and some even turn the wrecks blue.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2013-03-20 22:28:57 UTC
Ilkahn wrote:
Your level 1 and 2 missions aren't really worth salvaging IMO. Go in, kill and bail. Blitz the missions, grind till you puke and get your lvl 3 mission agents open. ....



If you can't yet afford a ship that can handle level 3 missions (for a new player, that's probably a mostly meta 3-4 fit battlecruiser) then you want to be saving up for one. I remember unlocking l3 missions before I could handle the combat in them.

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