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AFK Cloaking?
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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-17 21:49:10 UTC
Just wondering, how does everyone feel about AFK cloaking? What I mean, people who go to an enemy system and cloak instead of logging off, then stay there until downtime. Is this a good or bad part of the game?
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#2 - 2013-03-17 21:52:16 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Just wondering, how does everyone feel about AFK cloaking? What I mean, people who go to an enemy system and cloak instead of logging off, then stay there until downtime. Is this a good or bad part of the game?


It is a non issue.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-17 21:59:59 UTC
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It is a non issue. [/quote]

I don't see it as a non-issue in null sec space. If you hang out in the same system day after day, then the first few days you might freak a few people out and get them to waste a lot of time docked. Once they figure out what you are doing and they start to ignore you, then you have a chance to get a few free kills :-)
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#4 - 2013-03-17 22:00:07 UTC
Hmm, don't think I've ever seen anyone post a thread about this before. I'd imagine it's not that big of a deal nor is it very controversial.

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-17 22:00:59 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Hmm, don't think I've ever seen anyone post a thread about this before. I'd imagine it's not that big of a deal nor is it very controversial.


Yeah, I don't see it as huge myself. Just wondering what other people thought.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#6 - 2013-03-17 22:04:57 UTC
I see it as "Are you a coward or aren't you" - "Are you intuitive enough to adapt? Or are you a sheep to the slaughter?".

You should never feel fully safe in Null Sec, if you cannot take a loss or deal with hostility then you should probably be in high sec. Just lost a billion isk Ratting ship? How about not spending all your isk on faction modules and ratting without it.

It is a non issue - completely psychological in nature. This issue frequently gets posted, yet I have hostiles in my systems on a day-to-day basis. What do I do? I ignore them and move on with my life, if I find them - I kill them. Otherwise its business as usual.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-17 22:08:13 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
I see it as "Are you a coward or aren't you" - "Are you intuitive enough to adapt? Or are you a sheep to the slaughter?".

You should never feel fully safe in Null Sec, if you cannot take a loss or deal with hostility then you should probably be in high sec. Just lost a billion isk Ratting ship? How about not spending all your isk on faction modules and ratting without it.

It is a non issue - completely psychological in nature. This issue frequently gets posted, yet I have hostiles in my systems on a day-to-day basis. What do I do? I ignore them and move on with my life, if I find them - I kill them. Otherwise its business as usual.


Sounds like a plan :-) I totally agree with you about crazy costly ratting ships. I don't see the point. You spend billions on a ship so you can rat slightly faster?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2013-03-17 22:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#9 - 2013-03-17 22:08:38 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:


It is a non issue. [/quote]

I don't see it as a non-issue in null sec space. If you hang out in the same system day after day, then the first few days you might freak a few people out and get them to waste a lot of time docked. Once they figure out what you are doing and they start to ignore you, then you have a chance to get a few free kills :-)[/quote]

Psychological warfare like this is good for the game because it is interesting gameplay.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#10 - 2013-03-17 22:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Machiavelli's Nemesis
I hate it. The sight of an unfriendly face in local is just depressing. Ever since CCP banned all my macro-ratting accounts i've actually had to start running anoms myself to make isk. How is that fair?

And now some horrible CHEATER wants to come and sit in my system so I can't even run anoms safely. I paid to rat safely in this system, it's a damn liberty that I should have to fight for it too!

And what makes it worse is that every time I petition it or make a forum thread about it, everyone just mocks me.

I think i'm going to get my mum to write a sternly worded letter to CCP to sort out this bullying once and for all...
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-17 23:24:15 UTC
No one gives a ****. people, stop posting a million threads a week on this absolute non issue...

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#12 - 2013-03-17 23:25:04 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?


Answer me this.

What game mechanic is a nullbear ratter (bot or not) using to interact with others in the system?

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-17 23:25:32 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?


I am not sure what point you are trying to make. When someone is logged on, they show up in the local chat, it is as simple as that. If you do not understand how that impacts other players then I don't expect you to understand this thread.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-17 23:32:52 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
I hate it. The sight of an unfriendly face in local is just depressing. Ever since CCP banned all my macro-ratting accounts i've actually had to start running anoms myself to make isk. How is that fair?

And now some horrible CHEATER wants to come and sit in my system so I can't even run anoms safely. I paid to rat safely in this system, it's a damn liberty that I should have to fight for it too!

And what makes it worse is that every time I petition it or make a forum thread about it, everyone just mocks me.

I think i'm going to get my mum to write a sternly worded letter to CCP to sort out this bullying once and for all...


Thanks for the laugh!! The first few lines I thought you were for real; started to pity how lame a player you are. Then I started laughing!! Well Played, Awesome!
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#15 - 2013-03-18 00:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Thank you for bring a new and exciting topic to the forums.
I think it is about time someone mentioned afk cloaks - cause it's never been discussed. Big smile


As a very wise dude said earlier - Non issue.

I have never been shot at by an afk cloaker.
Have you?

How do they lock and shoot if they are cloaked and afk?
Does dscan stop working in null sec?


Complaining about cloaks is pointless - people will just use very fast frigates that can burn almost off grid before probe ships land if cloaks get nerfed, you will end up dead much more often due to the alternative.



Null should be dangerous. Don't like it? High sec is for you.

Imagine if low sec players behaved like this and said:
I was ratting/plexing last night with my 7 accounts
Then someone appear in local - OH NOOOOOO.
They are not on scan - OH NOOOOOOO.
They must be ----- DOCKED - OH NOOOOOOO.
They could undock at any time and get easy kills - OH NOOOOOO.
I only have 7 toons + alliance of 500 to support me here and there is ONE neutral - HELP MEH CCP. FIX THE GAME.
CCP PLZ NERF UNDOCKING. I CAN'T RAT NOW CAUSE THEY COULD UNDOCK.

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Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#16 - 2013-03-18 00:10:46 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
Just wondering, how does everyone feel about AFK cloaking? What I mean, people who go to an enemy system and cloak instead of logging off, then stay there until downtime. Is this a good or bad part of the game?


It is a non issue.


All that's needed.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#17 - 2013-03-18 00:18:57 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?


If you cage a predator next to the chicken coup, you'll see the chickens go batshit at the mere presence of their nemesis. While pilots aren't caged.... they typically can't think outside the box. The AFK cloaker need not EVER uncloak to cause psychological strain on his intended victims...

Granted, that psychological strain is self-inflicted.... and the "victims" shouldn't be living in nullsec if they can't adapt!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#18 - 2013-03-18 00:33:20 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?


I am not sure what point you are trying to make. When someone is logged on, they show up in the local chat, it is as simple as that. If you do not understand how that impacts other players then I don't expect you to understand this thread.
But the reason I asked you the question, is because I know exactly why people AFK. Cloaks are not the problem here, local is and that's the point.

It's intel is 100% risk free, unbiased, little to no effort to attain and relied upon mainly for the instant intel it gives. So how do you combat such a powerful mechanic? Even cloaks are not so covert, as you still know they are there.
So people use AFKing, as a way to try and subvert local's instant intel. But even then, the balance remains on your side. You see the intel from local is guaranteed 23.5/7, whereas the psychological effects from AFKing are not.

If you want AFKing to stop, then you need to look at the cause. This isn't a chicken and egg situation, as we know which came first. But those that call for cloaks to be nerfed, tend to ignore the actual mechanic being used in this regard.

As Sean Parisi said, it's a non issue. Use local, but don't expect others to not use it against you.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#19 - 2013-03-18 00:34:22 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?


Answer me this.

What game mechanic is a nullbear ratter (bot or not) using to interact with others in the system?
Same answer.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#20 - 2013-03-18 00:38:30 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?


If you cage a predator next to the chicken coup, you'll see the chickens go batshit at the mere presence of their nemesis. While pilots aren't caged.... they typically can't think outside the box. The AFK cloaker need not EVER uncloak to cause psychological strain on his intended victims...

Granted, that psychological strain is self-inflicted.... and the "victims" shouldn't be living in nullsec if they can't adapt!
Indeed.

Adapting seems to be an issue for some though. They would rather blame the guy who is AFK, for stopping them playing.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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