Intergalactic Summit

Nikulainen-haani, I'll leave that little nugget of circular reasoning alone, but thank you for contributing!

For shame, Enderas-haan, I'm a tubechild but that does not mean that I am without ancestors - nor the ability to venerate those who came before me for their struggles and achievements! In point of fact, I believe that Oniseki-haani is ALSO a tubechild. We were not raised in isolation from all but our sibkin, were we? Unable to join with the mainstream of Caldari culture?

You know that I am grateful to have the Empire as our allies, even if I don't agree with everything they do or the way that they do it, but they are our ALLIES, not greater than us, sheltering us. Our equals in a partnership of mutual advantage.

Enderas-haan,

In this case I believe its important to remember that, historically, the war between the Federation and our State had been protracted *nearly a hundred years with no victory in sight for either side and by the time of signing the cease-fire was barely a distant rumble in the distance. Your depiction of history where the Amarr Empire saved us from destruction is not historically correct by a long shot.

Wrong. Do you visit the Federation on a regular basis? Clearly you are too busy licking the sweet trickle of propaganda flowing out of the teat of Provists. Are you sure you are a tubechild of Ishukone?

A fair portion of Federal citizens wish to see the end of this pointless war, much in the same way a fair portion of State citizens wish to see the end of it. It is a shame that you do not understand this, but, of course, with insane, corrupt leaders in power on both sides of the border I suppose I cannot fully blame you.

Ms. Ikiryo, Please do not take this the wrong way. But the current military alliance is more then circumstantial. There Their? one day i'll know the difference. There is **intelligence and stuff flowing** I'd have underlined it but ehh. Just because it is not visible to the naked eye does not mean the Amaar is not contributing.

Tactics, ships, techs, training, the afore mentioned intelligence. We help in many ways and sometimes in subtle ways.

M.

Absolutely not. If anything, the Empire's existence should be driving the Caldari and Gallente back together again.

There is a lot that could be gained by working together, notably the defense of both homeworlds, and the formation of a superpower that could dominate the entire cluster through trade, technology, and possibly even population. But of course, that won't happen, we're so quick to forgive and forget our own mistakes as a race, yet we never forget what the "enemy side" did to us decades, or centuries ago.

It's like watching an old married couple that started out well together and now just hate each other, despite the fact they're better off being together than going their separate ways.

I'll just leave this here...

Indeed.

While I am sure the Empire appreciates the honor and respect shown to it by this original message, it would be unjust to suggest that we are the staple in the struggle of the Caldari. The most directly involved we have become was an infusion of funds into the State economy and joint border patrols occasionally. It is not Imperial warships that battle against the Federation's encroaching on a daily basis, it's not Imperial citizens staffing these ships and losing their lives in the fight - it is State citizens, it is Caldari.

The Empire is an ally and will remain true to that purpose but credit must be afforded where it is due.

I'm not surprised. Many Caldari expressed joy at the prospect of 'culturally blurring' with the Empire when this program was announced. Can't yet see how this program isn't just a more elegant way of going turncoat than stabbing ones' former comrades in the back.

Louvaki-haan and Unit XS365BT,

It is generally accepted as a historical fact that the Gallente only agreed to a peace treaty after they made first contact with the Amarr Empire and decided they were likely to be a bigger threat. If you want to challenge that notion based on dates alone, I suggest that you start an NPOV-dispute on the talk pages of some of this cluster's more reliable encyclopaedia's.



I, too, wish for an honourable peace. We are more likely to get such a peace as part of a grand alliance. However, I do not appreciate you calling my heritage into question and suggesting that I've simply been blinded by propaganda. If you are going to discuss in this manner, you're going to have to find someone else to do it with.



What you suggest here effectively amounts to rejoining the Federation. Remarriage? Really? I've suggested nothing even remotely as close to what is suggested here, with regards to the Empire. Most working-class Caldari would find even the suggestion that we would form one Superpower with the Federation quite offensive.



Thank you, Ms. Luftschreck. An important reminder.



I'll say right here and right now that I've not been brainwashed or converted. I remain loyal to the State and its ideals. If you have concerns about the programme, I recommend that you just come and visit us in the AVCL lounge and talk to some of the people in the Praetoria. I've found that they are warriors just like us. There are cultural differences, sure, but there is a basis for mutual respect and appreciation.