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Dude Wheres My Titan?!?
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Hannah Flex
#1 - 2013-03-17 04:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-17 04:29:54 UTC
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-17 04:55:26 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile


Doesn't matter what the EULA reads. It's virtual currency and virtual goods. If RMT happens it happens, and the authorities can't really do anything about it to begin with. It's a very gray area; I believe China wanted to enact laws preventing real-life currency from being used for in-game currency, but then people realized that a very stringent reading of the law meant you couldn't even pay for your game subscription.

Also, I'd like to see this story he makes a claim of where someone was arrested and convicted for stealing in-game items from another player in WoW. I'd like to see what he was allegedly charged with.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-17 05:20:20 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me Shocked

But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels Big smile


Doesn't matter what the EULA reads. It's virtual currency and virtual goods.


Of which you don't have any rights of ownership to because you clicked the "I agree" button.

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-03-17 05:47:17 UTC
It has been considered that virtual goods should be treated in much the same way as real goods, because after all, you have paid real money for it.

As for 4 titans getting blown up / stolen, tough ****, shouldn't have given out the toons details to anyone should they. I recall this practice is against the rules and should be laughed at by CCP.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-17 07:02:19 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
It has been considered that virtual goods should be treated in much the same way as real goods, because after all, you have paid real money for it.

As for 4 titans getting blown up / stolen, tough ****, shouldn't have given out the toons details to anyone should they. I recall this practice is against the rules and should be laughed at by CCP.


Can you please cite the relevant law for this? "Considered" is not the same as "the law states".

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Wescro2
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-17 07:02:40 UTC
Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-03-17 07:15:54 UTC
Wescro2 wrote:
Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad.


I'm telling you, the influx of bads has left me with no shortage of tears, but also no shortage of headaches because they quote some obscure law (or in the case of the majority of this thread) pull **** out of their ass. When quoting that obscure law, they look at it from one angle: the angle that pertains to their statement even if that's not what it is. So I come in, tell them to provide the law, and what do you know? It's not provided, or they say, "Well I know it exists".

I just come in here to troll the internet lawyers, pretty much.

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vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#9 - 2013-03-17 09:12:49 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
It has been considered that virtual goods should be treated in much the same way as real goods, because after all, you have paid real money for it.

As for 4 titans getting blown up / stolen, tough ****, shouldn't have given out the toons details to anyone should they. I recall this practice is against the rules and should be laughed at by CCP.


Yes but you have no ownership over these items as they all belong to CCP.

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#10 - 2013-03-17 10:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
Anya Klibor wrote:
Also, I'd like to see this story he makes a claim of where someone was arrested and convicted for stealing in-game items from another player in WoW. I'd like to see what he was allegedly charged with.


The closest I can recall was in runescape where 2 teenagers where arrested for stealing goods in a game. The whole gaming community freaked out until it was revealed that they had come with a laptop and at knife point forced another kid to log into the game and hand over all his in game things.


The thing to remember is that no authority will start an investigation on something that happened only in game. They cannot petition CCP for the IP address of the offender without an actual crime and even then it's going to be hard to do across national borders.


If the police does indeed start working on a matter then it's very likely that there was a real life connection between the perpetrator and the victim that is yet to be revealed.


As for the article. Pointless boasting.

The stealing of the ships mean nothing but sharing the accounts of the titan pilots accounts and misuse of other people's accounts is a different matter. They won't get the titans back though.

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Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-17 11:06:01 UTC
Pretty much what the post above poster said

Or

If you create malignant software and try to distribute it.
Strepor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-17 14:37:08 UTC
I stole the Titans and will return them for the bargin price of 30 billion isk per hull.
Haulie Berry
#13 - 2013-03-17 16:20:35 UTC
I doubt anyone would care about the stolen titans, but (judging by the story) the way they were stolen could definitely put them on the wrong side of the law. I'm not familiar with Polish statutes but in the US, logging into an account without authorization like that could easily put someone on the wrong side of the computer fraud and abuse act.


...Still pretty funny, though.
Xayder
modro
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-03-17 16:48:35 UTC
nope it wasnt me this time

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Orlacc
#15 - 2013-03-17 17:21:59 UTC
Stealing an IP is bad. Stealing pixels is not. Quit citing laws that don't exist.

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Strepor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-17 18:12:39 UTC
Even if you could make a theoretical legal argument for this being a crime the police wouldn't care nore should they. They have most importent crimes then the theft of internet space boats.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-03-17 18:31:14 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Also, I'd like to see this story he makes a claim of where someone was arrested and convicted for stealing in-game items from another player in WoW. I'd like to see what he was allegedly charged with.


The closest I can recall was in runescape where 2 teenagers where arrested for stealing goods in a game. The whole gaming community freaked out until it was revealed that they had come with a laptop and at knife point forced another kid to log into the game and hand over all his in game things.


The thing to remember is that no authority will start an investigation on something that happened only in game. They cannot petition CCP for the IP address of the offender without an actual crime and even then it's going to be hard to do across national borders.


If the police does indeed start working on a matter then it's very likely that there was a real life connection between the perpetrator and the victim that is yet to be revealed.


As for the article. Pointless boasting.

The stealing of the ships mean nothing but sharing the accounts of the titan pilots accounts and misuse of other people's accounts is a different matter. They won't get the titans back though.


In which case you have assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping, maybe something to do with computer crimes. But overall, nothing will do with t he game itself, or the theft of in-game items.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Skorpynekomimi
#18 - 2013-03-17 21:52:37 UTC
The real question is the violation of EULA that allowed someone to log into the holding toons.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-03-17 22:09:14 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
The real question is the violation of EULA that allowed someone to log into the holding toons.


Assuming one exists, I agree. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a well-done corp heist by a director.

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Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2013-03-17 22:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
What a joke... if someone *IS* lame enough to report a video game "theft" of digital pixels in a game where "theft" of video game pixels is not only allowed according to EULA but ENCOURGED, I seriously hope two things happen:

1) the authorities punch the reporting person in the mouth, and
2) charge the reporting person with wasting time and money of the officials.

I think I've seen it all now.

Oh, and PS: anyone care to bet whether REAL NATIONAL CURRENCY was used to pay for those digital pixels? Just another "well, PLEX *is* money!" boolshite???

What a friggin' joke. But then, it is the website of the disgraced lawyer, so... Grain of salt, and all that.

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