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We *need* a tech 2 orca

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Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
#21 - 2013-03-17 17:43:28 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
The only thing ORE hasn't developed yet is a jump-drive-equipped Industrial Dreadnought (think "Mega-Exhumer") or an Industrial Titan. ...I have no idea what an Industrial Titan would do.


I do. 'Doomsday'-scale mining laser. When you absolutely positively have to mine that asteroid in one fell swoop.

You pick a target, fire up the laser, big flash of light... asteroid is gone, all the ore from it is in your hold, you can't jump for 10 minutes and can't mine another asteroid for 60 minutes.

At least it would be a way to get rid of those gigantic Spodumain asteroids...
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#22 - 2013-03-17 18:06:13 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
But what would it do as a T2, that the T1 can not do?

Have an awesome paint job. Isn't that enough?

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-17 19:30:17 UTC
YEA WE NEED THE EXACT SAME THING!

BUT BETTER

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Dave stark
#24 - 2013-03-17 19:35:53 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
YEA WE NEED THE EXACT SAME THING!

BUT BETTER


so, the rorqual?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-03-17 19:59:56 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
But what would it do as a T2, that the T1 can not do?

Have an awesome paint job. Isn't that enough?

That paint job better be made with pure platinum, as the projected cost for a T2 orca would be around 3.7bill with current prices.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-03-17 23:24:36 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
But what would it do as a T2, that the T1 can not do?

Have an awesome paint job. Isn't that enough?

That paint job better be made with pure platinum, as the projected cost for a T2 orca would be around 3.7bill with current prices.


I was going to say you can't put a price on style, but you just did.

/worth every isk.
DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
#27 - 2013-03-18 12:49:19 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
But what would it do as a T2, that the T1 can not do?

I personally like the 'Fleet Support' role thats been suggested:

Bigger Maintainance bay (expaned refiting to allow T3 sub swaps)
No ore bay
Smaller cargo
Similar corp bay
No link bonuses
Keep its drone bay
Abiity to cyno like a JF.

A solid mobile base for roams, allowing repairs and refits.

Some have even suggested a clone bay on it, but I am not fully convinced of that as I think it would mess with WH combat too much.


We can't even use the clone bay on a Rorqual, so adding one to a T2 Orca wouldn't change anything.

Honestly, I'd prefer that the Rorqual gets an overhaul before they make a T2 Orca, especially if force fields are going the way of the dodo.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#28 - 2013-03-18 13:08:01 UTC
DJ P0N-3 wrote:

We can't even use the clone bay on a Rorqual, so adding one to a T2 Orca wouldn't change anything.

Honestly, I'd prefer that the Rorqual gets an overhaul before they make a T2 Orca, especially if force fields are going the way of the dodo.



eh, when'd they break clonebays on the rorq?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
#29 - 2013-03-20 22:03:39 UTC
Industrial command ship. Sounds like it oversees something to do with industry, so the head of a mining fleet makes sense. That being the case I fail to see why it needs a large cargohold; it isn't a hauler. Reduce that - or remove it.

Keep the corporate hangars. As a support vessel it ought to have modules and charges for the fleet, and separate compartments allows proper management of fleet resources.

If the hulk is now a pure fleet ship - which I think it is - then four of those will overwhelm the orca's current ore hold in next to no time. I say 4 as I can't see the point of an orca for anything less. Increase the size of the ore hold so it can handle 4 x hulks output from 1/2 hour's mining. What's that? 200k? 300k? Someone do the maths.

Fleet defence. The maintenance bay is a bit dismal. Increase its size to allow the four hulk pilots to switch into their combat vessels, should they come under attack. While I'm not sure about BS-size craft, certainly I think the bay ought to take BC-size craft. Limiting the hangar to industrials is wrong for this, as the combat ships would have nowhere to go when the mining ships are boarded.

Drones? Remove them. An orca is not designed to be alone, without cover of any type. The barges provide the defence from rats, and the combat ships in the maintenance hangar from more interesting threats. Also, a command ship doesn't sound like a vessel that gets dirty its hands from mining.

Tank. Structure is the orca's tank, so the 2 low-slots ought to suffice. DCU 2 will give it an effective HP of over 125k, increasing to over 160k with a T2 bulkhead. That ought to last while the miners are jumping into their Tengus. Big smile With that in mind, the mid-slots seem a bit redundant. Unless it fits struct repairers for afterwards? Hmmm...

Just my tuppence-worth.

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#30 - 2013-03-20 22:07:50 UTC
DataRunner Attor wrote:
captial class ships don't exactly follow the same rules as sub-caps, in your case the tech two version would be the rorqual.

Orca is a command ship. It's no more "capital", than your average freighter. It's just a conincidence, that it is big and have a maintenance bay.
Though, I fail to see, what bonuses would be appropriate for a T2 ORE command ship. But I do appreciate the humor of the OP's request, thus my +1.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison

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