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[Suggestion] Add mid-slot to Navy Megathron
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n00b Paralex
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-17 17:28:05 UTC
This has probably been said already, but the Navy Megathron is very seriously gimped having the same number of midslots as the regular Megathron. This ship needs to rebalance one of the slots so instead of 4 mid and 8 low, 5 mid and 7 low is optimal. Another reason to do this is because the Megathron doesn't have a bonus to armor repair, so with an extra mid slot, shield tanking becomes a more viable option.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-03-17 17:32:04 UTC
Dude, the Navy Mega is anything but gimped. Additional low is perfect for an armor tanked ship.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-17 18:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Roime wrote:
Dude, the Navy Mega is anything but gimped. Additional low is perfect for an armor tanked ship.


Armor tanking? What that?

For noobs these days, there's shield tank, and then there's shield tank. Thanks for the [im]balance, CCP.Big smile
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#4 - 2013-03-17 18:29:35 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Roime wrote:
Dude, the Navy Mega is anything but gimped. Additional low is perfect for an armor tanked ship.


Armor tanking? What that?

For noobs these days, there's shield tank, and then there's shield tank. Thanks for the [im]balance, CCP.Big smile

Pretty damn true, this was supposed to be a gallente character but I've had t2 invulns long before eanms

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-03-17 18:31:39 UTC
The megathron shouldnt BE shield tanked. similar to how an abaddon SHOULDNT be shield tanked. or wh you dont armor-tank drakes.

their native tank is one of the two.

that being said, on an armor battleship you only need 3-4 mids. a scram, tracking comp, and 1 or 2 webs (preferably 2 for those pesky little bugs).

just saying, i prefer my lowslots
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-17 19:22:07 UTC
Shield mega made me lol

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#7 - 2013-03-17 19:48:49 UTC
I am gonna have to agree with Ted on that. Sheild Megathron is just kinda funny.

I'm no PvP expert, but I have heard of this thing fleets do called Remote Reps used with ships that mount armor plates. That extra low slots seems ideal for just such a setup.

I will grant that shields, especially with ASB's loose and running free, do seem to be better especially for solo and smaller gangs, but not every ship needs to be a shield tank. Agitate to fix the shield/armor thing, not warp perfectly good ships into shield ships.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-17 21:56:43 UTC
What you want is the Hyperion.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#9 - 2013-03-17 22:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Hmm in some ways I sort of agree - I've found with mega hulls I'm always making a compromise on the mids between web, tracking computer and eccm - as 3 of those slots pretty much have to be MWD, cap booster and scram and in todays eve eccm often isn't a bad idea but then your left with BS guns and no web/TC to aid them.

EDIT: End of the day tho there is always the vindi if you want the extra mid.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#10 - 2013-03-17 22:17:46 UTC
Roime wrote:
Dude, the Navy Mega is anything but gimped. Additional low is perfect for an armor tanked ship.
I don't fly this beautiful ship any more. Why? One word.

CAMO

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-03-17 22:25:42 UTC
Well the camo is ******* terrible.

OP if you want shield tanked BS, get a Navy Domi or if you settle for lower dps, a Mach.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-17 22:32:02 UTC
Roime wrote:
Well the camo is ******* terrible.

OP if you want shield tanked BS, get a Navy Domi or if you settle for lower dps, a Mach.


Rroff wrote:
Hmm in some ways I sort of agree - I've found with mega hulls I'm always making a compromise on the mids between web, tracking computer and eccm - as 3 of those slots pretty much have to be MWD, cap booster and scram and in todays eve eccm often isn't a bad idea but then your left with BS guns and no web/TC to aid them.

EDIT: End of the day tho there is always the vindi if you want the extra mid.

sabre906 wrote:
What you want is the Hyperion.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#13 - 2013-03-17 22:38:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Hyperion lacks the tracking bonus per level and has lesser drone capabilities, both quite useful IMO. You also only get 6 lows v 7 or 8.

EDIT: Not to mention Hyperion loses the utility high thats useful for shoving a heavy neut into.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-03-18 05:56:18 UTC
Sabre my poin was that armor tank is just better on armor BS. And armor BS are generally superior to shield BS.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2013-03-18 13:09:29 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
What you want is the Hyperion.

Yes, shield tanked Hyperion ftw! (rep bonus? bah!) Big smile, and Ugh all at the same time
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-18 13:19:55 UTC
the odds are that the mega being changed to attack bs will be more like the thorax and get another mid

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-03-18 13:45:55 UTC
Or you could wait until they actually do the rebalance pass on the battleships and see what they do with both the Mega and the Navy Mega.

(THough as I say this part of me is somewhat afraid the Fozzie may have sinister intentions.)

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#18 - 2013-03-18 15:27:38 UTC
Again, I'm not a PvP guy... But don't the Caldari make the Rohk?

It seems if you are looking for a hybrid platform that sheild tanks, that would be the tool for the job. Otherwise, I'm thinking you are looking for something made of rust and solar panels and those ever so hurtful projectile turrets with their capless firing, selectable damage and superior range.

I have no idea why you would want to shield tank an Amarr or Gallente ship, unless it's an ASB thing, but even with ASB I have to think that a Minmatar or Caldari ship is going to be your go to ships for sheild tanked death.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-03-18 15:44:28 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
Again, I'm not a PvP guy... But don't the Caldari make the Rohk?

It seems if you are looking for a hybrid platform that sheild tanks, that would be the tool for the job. Otherwise, I'm thinking you are looking for something made of rust and solar panels and those ever so hurtful projectile turrets with their capless firing, selectable damage and superior range.

I have no idea why you would want to shield tank an Amarr or Gallente ship, unless it's an ASB thing, but even with ASB I have to think that a Minmatar or Caldari ship is going to be your go to ships for sheild tanked death.



Yes, but what you have to understand is that some people will insist of using a hammer to drive a screw.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#20 - 2013-03-18 15:57:30 UTC
Well...

I guess I can understand that. When I was new to EVE I was doing level 3's in sheild tanked (and rigged for sheilds, before there were small & Medium rigs!!) Arbitrators and Vexxors. The damn rigs cost double what the hulls did at the time. Shocked I was an idiot...

Then I finally learned to trust my armor, got my fitting/cap/armor compensation skills up, figured out what an EANM was, and most importantly got into battleships and away from the anemic repair of medium armor repairers.

I would imagine the ASB's create the same situation. The rep is just too good, especially to be cap free. Plus there is the passive regen of the sheilds to consider as well, which always kind of irked me about armor despite my love of drones and resultant attraction to the Gallente ship line. I've always wanted a module similar to cap and power relays that would trade something for significant passive armor resist.
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