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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2013-03-17 07:21:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Not only do we have no need for even more space but we don't have the manpower to secure it if we do capture it.


You all sure do have a lot of excuses to avoid just random fun combat. So keep making them and pretend people are fleeing null for reasons other then boring and risk averse leadership that won't do anything unless it has overwhelming odds.

Pure geniuses, the whole lot of you.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-03-17 07:32:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Rhavin Kha'siere wrote:
Nullbears love to rant about how hisec is all risk-averse. While that may be true, that doesn't mean those selfsame nullbears aren't risk averse either. Case in point, this idea of Cloud Ring (which is really just a player organized version of a PVP Arena, complete with rules and judges). If a Great War (which, it could be argued, previous incarnations created the massive coalitions that now dominate nullsec) is deemed to be something that would take too long, and be too destructive, and the only alternative is to fabricate fake fights for the sake of good fights (which are in truth only good because of the RISK and the surprise inherent in their emergent creation) while eliminating all potential vectors of risk...then you are risk-averse, and are just as terrible as the pubbies you love to hate. I'm sure your going to say something about how you earned the right to be top dog (which you did, because those who fought against BoB TOOK RISKS), and if someone else wants your space then they should come and take it; but that's like America, Russia and China telling Somalia to come at 'em. There is no potential threat to the blue doughnut, and there will never be a potential threat as long as all three coalitions are too damn scared to actually RISK something against each other.

If the only solution to the stagnation of Nullsec is to create a completely risk-averse PVP Arena, which somehow proves to CCP that null is borked (which, in and of itself is absurd, considering that is exactly what nullbears complain hisec is turning into); then your doing it wrong. If a Great War would be so costly, and take so long, that people who have played this awesome game for the past ten years would quit...you have your priorities backwards.

Yes, y'all fought your way to the top, and did such an excellent job of destroying any potential threat to your existence. Now, the very thought of having to risk said position as top dog would cause ten year vets to quit...that is the very definition of risk averse. I mean, those theoretical bittervets would quit because of the amount of risk inherent in a three-way Great War? Even discounting the idea of risk, YOU SPENT TEN YEARS PLAYING THIS GAME, AND A WAR THAT MAY LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR IS TOO LONG? Are you serious?

And you claim us pubbies are risk-averse idiots who want all the things now, in perfect safety. Your hypocrisy is breathtaking.


let's not talk about people being hypocrites when you're slamming your ******* fist on the table demanding that CCP removes suicide ganking, wardecs and ninja salvaging after having successfully demanded that they remove ninja looting, can baiting and give worthless mining botters a gigantic buff to their ships which they never bothered trying to fit in a way that would counter the suicide gank attempt, because the entitled wretches could not fathom sacrificing yield

hiseccers are only useful for two things: giving revenue to CCP and being scourged. unfortunately, a good number of them are no longer even useful for the former, since their bot-like behavior and the near-perfect safety of hisec (which is still not enough for you) means they have absolutely not issue funding their gametime with PLEX. thanks to these wretched botters and quasi-botters, the price of a GTC is close to a billion ISK.

hisec is the part of the game that goes against its original conception in every goddamned way. the difference is that we've crafted the political landscape of 0.0 while the hiseccers have demanded that CCP do all the work for them through their lil tantrums and threats of unsubbing.

and you wretches always talk about how you're playing the game the way you want it to

well, as it turns out, we're playing the game the way we want, get 0wned

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-03-17 07:35:33 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Not only do we have no need for even more space but we don't have the manpower to secure it if we do capture it.


You all sure do have a lot of excuses to avoid just random fun combat. So keep making them and pretend people are fleeing null for reasons other then boring and risk averse leadership that won't do anything unless it has overwhelming odds.

Pure geniuses, the whole lot of you.


hey look sentamon's being wrong as always

we've been engaging in random fun combat with the HBC for months, i'm sorry that you choose to read riverini's rag where he claims that we have blue standings or something

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-03-17 07:37:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
DarthNefarius wrote:
Rhavin Kha'siere wrote:

Nullbears love to rant about how hisec is all risk-averse.
(snip)
And you claim us pubbies are risk-averse idiots who want all the things now, in perfect safety. Your hypocrisy is breathtaking.

^^
Damn I wish I had written you posts first & last sentences above in my OP. +1


you are risk-averse, though

you should look at your own posting history, where you demand things like outlaws being unable to enter hisec, the removal of ninja looting, ninja salvaging and wardecs, and more nerfs to suicide ganking, because they affect your own quasi-botting gameplay and coming up with ways to counter those things is too much work, so CCP must hold your hand because thinking is hard :(

you have no idea what you're talking about, since you have never left hisec and you most likely never will

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#125 - 2013-03-17 07:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
the other fact is that in these months, rather than banding together and making a war against one of the "two coalitions that controls all of 0.0" the wretches choose to complain

of course, they use "we don't have tech moons" as an excuse, despite the fact that many alliances like pizza and black legion fight to great effect without substantial alliance-level income, even reimbursing some ships. the fact of the matter is that they don't wish to play our game, yet the worthless wretches complain that we don't play how they envision us playing, and rather than doing anything about it in-game, they'll just whine endlessly to no effect. they also have no organizational skills whatsoever and consider corralling a bunch of pubbies into incursion channels the height of organizational ability, so expecting them to work together to fight us is a lost cause.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#126 - 2013-03-17 07:51:24 UTC
Rhavin Kha'siere wrote:
Nullbears love to rant about how hisec is all risk-averse. While that may be true, that doesn't mean those selfsame nullbears aren't risk averse either. Case in point, this idea of Cloud Ring (which is really just a player organized version of a PVP Arena, complete with rules and judges). If a Great War (which, it could be argued, previous incarnations created the massive coalitions that now dominate nullsec) is deemed to be something that would take too long, and be too destructive, and the only alternative is to fabricate fake fights for the sake of good fights (which are in truth only good because of the RISK and the surprise inherent in their emergent creation) while eliminating all potential vectors of risk...then you are risk-averse, and are just as terrible as the pubbies you love to hate. I'm sure your going to say something about how you earned the right to be top dog (which you did, because those who fought against BoB TOOK RISKS), and if someone else wants your space then they should come and take it; but that's like America, Russia and China telling Somalia to come at 'em. There is no potential threat to the blue doughnut, and there will never be a potential threat as long as all three coalitions are too damn scared to actually RISK something against each other.

If the only solution to the stagnation of Nullsec is to create a completely risk-averse PVP Arena, which somehow proves to CCP that null is borked (which, in and of itself is absurd, considering that is exactly what nullbears complain hisec is turning into); then your doing it wrong. If a Great War would be so costly, and take so long, that people who have played this awesome game for the past ten years would quit...you have your priorities backwards.

Yes, y'all fought your way to the top, and did such an excellent job of destroying any potential threat to your existence. Now, the very thought of having to risk said position as top dog would cause ten year vets to quit...that is the very definition of risk averse. I mean, those theoretical bittervets would quit because of the amount of risk inherent in a three-way Great War? Even discounting the idea of risk, YOU SPENT TEN YEARS PLAYING THIS GAME, AND A WAR THAT MAY LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR IS TOO LONG? Are you serious?

And you claim us pubbies are risk-averse idiots who want all the things now, in perfect safety. Your hypocrisy is breathtaking.


If it was up to me, we'd just kill TEST, but I don't make the decisions.

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iskflakes
#127 - 2013-03-17 10:10:27 UTC
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#128 - 2013-03-17 10:52:30 UTC
Sentamon wrote:


You all sure do have a lot of excuses to avoid just random fun combat. So keep making them and pretend people are fleeing null for reasons other then boring and risk averse leadership that won't do anything unless it has overwhelming odds.

Pure geniuses, the whole lot of you.


We have random fun combat. Ripping down thousands of towers, POCO and TCU is not fun.
Pantiy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2013-03-17 11:32:37 UTC
all this thread is bullshit really. let the high sec players have what ever they have in fact increase isk/mineral/rewards etc 100%.
let null/low have the same thing. you guys forget none of this is breaking the game. besides it soulds like your not having fun in that case its time to move on.
Dave Stark
#130 - 2013-03-17 11:35:32 UTC
Pantiy wrote:
all this thread is bullshit really. let the high sec players have what ever they have in fact increase isk/mineral/rewards etc 100%.
let null/low have the same thing. you guys forget none of this is breaking the game. besides it soulds like your not having fun in that case its time to move on.


doubling everything just means that instead of there being a gap of x between place a and b, there's now a gap of 2x.
in essence, you've just made everything worse and fixed nothing.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2013-03-17 11:47:11 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
I know, they say they do want it fixed, but I don't see them packing up all of their moon harvesters and ceasing production, do you?


Because like pre-nerf highsec incursions & FW mechanics or the current 150m isk/hour Forsaken Hubs, we'd be stupid to not take advantage of it while it's there. This doesn't mean we don't think it should be changed or don't want it changed

yea, every sinner has saint inside... they deserve the best because of it independent of their behavior :D

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2013-03-17 11:54:47 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
they deserve the best because of it independent of their behavior :D


Translation? Readable English please.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2013-03-17 13:05:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:


You all sure do have a lot of excuses to avoid just random fun combat. So keep making them and pretend people are fleeing null for reasons other then boring and risk averse leadership that won't do anything unless it has overwhelming odds.

Pure geniuses, the whole lot of you.


We have random fun combat. Ripping down thousands of towers, POCO and TCU is not fun.



That was your choice. Nobody forced you to zerg it up , making sure in advance that no fights happen from your overwhelming numbers.

Too late to complain about it now.

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Dave Stark
#134 - 2013-03-17 13:09:40 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:


You all sure do have a lot of excuses to avoid just random fun combat. So keep making them and pretend people are fleeing null for reasons other then boring and risk averse leadership that won't do anything unless it has overwhelming odds.

Pure geniuses, the whole lot of you.


We have random fun combat. Ripping down thousands of towers, POCO and TCU is not fun.



That was your choice. Nobody forced you to zerg it up , making sure in advance that no fights happen from your overwhelming numbers.

Too late to complain about it now.


yeah because structure bashing magically vanishes and stops existing if people undock and fight, right?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#135 - 2013-03-17 13:35:19 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:


You all sure do have a lot of excuses to avoid just random fun combat. So keep making them and pretend people are fleeing null for reasons other then boring and risk averse leadership that won't do anything unless it has overwhelming odds.

Pure geniuses, the whole lot of you.


We have random fun combat. Ripping down thousands of towers, POCO and TCU is not fun.



That was your choice. Nobody forced you to zerg it up , making sure in advance that no fights happen from your overwhelming numbers.

Too late to complain about it now.


What has our numbers got to do with the soul crushingly bad time everyone has with grinding down endless structure hitpoints for solid month?
Dave Stark
#136 - 2013-03-17 13:37:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:


You all sure do have a lot of excuses to avoid just random fun combat. So keep making them and pretend people are fleeing null for reasons other then boring and risk averse leadership that won't do anything unless it has overwhelming odds.

Pure geniuses, the whole lot of you.


We have random fun combat. Ripping down thousands of towers, POCO and TCU is not fun.



That was your choice. Nobody forced you to zerg it up , making sure in advance that no fights happen from your overwhelming numbers.

Too late to complain about it now.


What has our numbers got to do with the soul crushingly bad time everyone has with grinding down endless structure hitpoints for solid month?


because obviously, structure shooting magically goes away if you shoot ships instead.

don't you know anything?
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#137 - 2013-03-17 13:56:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
because obviously, structure shooting magically goes away if you shoot ships instead.

don't you know anything?

Well isn't that tautologically obvious?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#138 - 2013-03-17 17:25:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

What has our numbers got to do with the soul crushingly bad time everyone has with grinding down endless structure hitpoints for solid month?


Because when you have all the numbers and your goal is to conquer and divide up the whole universe, all that you get is a soul crushing bad time of shooting structures, and you deserve it. You'd think this is obvious.


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Dave Stark
#139 - 2013-03-17 17:37:51 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

What has our numbers got to do with the soul crushingly bad time everyone has with grinding down endless structure hitpoints for solid month?


Because when you have all the numbers and your goal is to conquer and divide up the whole universe, all that you get is a soul crushing bad time of shooting structures, and you deserve it. You'd think this is obvious.




and if you don't have the numbers you have to win all the fights then have a soul crushing bad time of shooting structures anyway, except it takes you longer due to all the battles you didn't win by them undocking.

i fail to see how not outnumbering your opponent in anyway removes the issue of structure grinding being ****?
fukier
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2013-03-17 17:42:29 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
this imbalance is making NULL too safe in many's eyes


Ask SOLAR and friends how safe null is these days.

Or IRC.

Or -A-.

Or Nulli

Or NCdotte (they and Nulli would be interesting as they've been on both the giving and recieving end of large invasions in the past year)

Or Raiden.

Shall I go on?


Listen, how many times do I have to tell you this:

Reality is just nullbear propaganda.

Your "facts" are just dust in the wind before THE TRUTH.

Darth knows THE TRUTH, and if your stupid facts or your pointless reality contradict THE TRUTH then they're in error and THE TRUTH is still THE TRUTH.


the truth?
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.