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STEALTH CHANGE to Buddy Program T&C's? CCP RESPONSE NEEDED

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Lashenadeeka
Qinglong Fleet
Jade Kirin Alliance
#1 - 2013-03-17 11:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lashenadeeka
Eighth bullet point in the buddy program list.

Quote:
The Buddy Program is intended for you to encourage new players to join EVE Online. Violating the purpose of the Buddy Program in any way or form is prohibited. Violations of this rule will be handled by EVE Online Customer Support, and action will be taken against players who violate this rule (including, but not limited to, warnings or bans of the offending accounts).


I DO NOT remember this being there the last time I looked.
Because inviting yourself is not encouraging new PLAYERS to join, it is violating the purpose of the Buddy Program and thusly bannable. So according to this new rule, we can no longer create alts whatsoever with the Buddy Program.

CCP must clarify this issue and post an announcement regarding their stance or many players who are unaware of this change could potentially risk being banned.
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-17 11:24:59 UTC
they just made it clear by putting that bullet in now didn't they
Lashenadeeka
Qinglong Fleet
Jade Kirin Alliance
#3 - 2013-03-17 11:26:20 UTC
Djana Libra wrote:
they just made it clear by putting that bullet in now didn't they


Policy used to be that making alts using the buddy program was allowed. It's not clear at all because they haven't posted an announcement stating the change - it's basically entrapment if there has been an unannounced policy change.
Dave Stark
#4 - 2013-03-17 11:27:52 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
it's basically entrapment if there has been an unannounced policy change.


no, it's simply your own fault for not reading the Ts & Cs.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-17 11:38:26 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Policy used to be that making alts using the buddy program was allowed.


I think you are wrong, i don't think it ever said making alts was allowed, it's was just tolerated as long as people didn't exploit the buddy program.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Lashenadeeka
Qinglong Fleet
Jade Kirin Alliance
#6 - 2013-03-17 11:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lashenadeeka
dexington wrote:
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Policy used to be that making alts using the buddy program was allowed.


I think you are wrong, i don't think it ever said making alts was allowed, it's was just tolerated as long as people didn't exploit the buddy program.


Alternate meaning for allowed = tolerated. Previously the only line referencing abuse was:

Quote:
Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to, farming gifts and making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.


Which implies that any alts that weren't for grief play purposes or gift farming were not considered abuse and therefore allowed.

Now it's plainly stating that unless you're using the buddy program to invite new PLAYERS - not accounts but PLAYERS, you are risking a ban.
Oraac Ensor
#7 - 2013-03-17 11:47:51 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Alternate meaning for allowed = tolerated.

No.
Lashenadeeka
Qinglong Fleet
Jade Kirin Alliance
#8 - 2013-03-17 11:50:12 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Alternate meaning for allowed = tolerated.

No.


Please explain how making alts with the buddy program has been NOT allowed over the past 4 years (so long as they weren't for gift farming or grief play purposes).
Othran
Route One
#9 - 2013-03-17 11:53:09 UTC
Yeah I've created a couple of accounts via the buddy system when power of two isn't running.

I doubt that's considered "abuse".
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-17 11:53:14 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
dexington wrote:
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Policy used to be that making alts using the buddy program was allowed.


I think you are wrong, i don't think it ever said making alts was allowed, it's was just tolerated as long as people didn't exploit the buddy program.


Alternate meaning for allowed = tolerated.

Now it's plainly stating that unless you're using the buddy program to invite new PLAYERS - not accounts but PLAYERS, you are risking a ban.


I don't think anything has changed, it's just stated more clearly now.

Unless you are using the accounts for something you know might be in the grey area, i don't think you should worry about getting banned, you are after all giving them more money with two accounts. There are a lot of things you can do with 7 weeks old characters, which you can keep recycling, and the system can be used to create characters for griefing and scamming which may get you in trouble.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#11 - 2013-03-17 11:56:38 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Alternate meaning for allowed = tolerated


Really not.

In fact it something was allowed in the first place then there would be need for the enforcers of the rules to "tolerate it"

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Othran
Route One
#12 - 2013-03-17 11:59:18 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Alternate meaning for allowed = tolerated


Really not.

In fact it something was allowed in the first place then there would be need for the enforcers of the rules to "tolerate it"


I think the issue is that more and more abuse of the system has taken place in terms of farming gifts.

With the 10th anniversary coming up CCP are probably just trying to head off the inevitable flood of gift farmers by tightening up the rules.
Oraac Ensor
#13 - 2013-03-17 12:03:56 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Alternate meaning for allowed = tolerated.

No.


Please explain how making alts with the buddy program has been NOT allowed over the past 4 years (so long as they weren't for gift farming or grief play purposes).

Eh? Where did I say that?
Oraac Ensor
#14 - 2013-03-17 12:22:05 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Eighth bullet point in the buddy program list.

Quote:
The Buddy Program is intended for you to encourage new players to join EVE Online. Violating the purpose of the Buddy Program in any way or form is prohibited. Violations of this rule will be handled by EVE Online Customer Support, and action will be taken against players who violate this rule (including, but not limited to, warnings or bans of the offending accounts).


I DO NOT remember this being there the last time I looked.
Because inviting yourself is not encouraging new PLAYERS to join, it is violating the purpose of the Buddy Program and thusly bannable. So according to this new rule, we can no longer create alts whatsoever with the Buddy Program.

CCP must clarify this issue and post an announcement regarding their stance or many players who are unaware of this change could potentially risk being banned.

I think CCP clarified the issue reasonably well in the ninth bullet point, clearly visible immediately below the eighth:
Quote:
Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to; farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.
Frying Doom
#15 - 2013-03-17 12:26:40 UTC
Well I was considering another account but now

I will just stick with what I have.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
iskflakes
#16 - 2013-03-17 12:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: iskflakes
I don't remember that condition being there either. Assuming it was recently added, I'm getting pissed off with these ninja policy changes. First the ninja editing of 3 year old GM posts about ISBOXER policy, then sreegs saying cache scraping is against the EULA, now no buddy programme for alts? I don't care if they change their policy, I do care if they don't announce it. I'm not going to read 3 year old GM posts every 5 minutes to check they haven't been ninja edited.

I would love to see a CCP response to the question below: "Is it a bannable offence to create an alt using the buddy programme?"

I strongly hope CCP's new bullet point is only to stop people creating suicide gank alts on 54 day trials. Let's wait and see if there's any clarification.

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Dave Stark
#17 - 2013-03-17 12:27:14 UTC
let's be honest; unless you're abusing the system this insignificant change means absolutely nothing.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-17 12:28:06 UTC
Nothing stealth about publishing and clearly defining the intent of the buddy system.

Don't ban me, bro!
iskflakes
#19 - 2013-03-17 12:29:36 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Nothing stealth about publishing and clearly defining the intent of the buddy system.


There is something stealth about inserting a new bullet point in the middle of a list people don't read anyway, and then not telling anybody about it.

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#20 - 2013-03-17 12:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
Cool your heels, people.

Why would CCP ban the use of the buddy program to create alts? That wouldn't make any sense, from a revenue perspective or otherwise.
They simply want to get rid of abuse of the system, e.g. people creating 51-day alts for suicide ganking.
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