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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-03-16 19:36:22 UTC
ever notice that whenever pubbies complain about technetium, they suddenly get very tight-lipped if not defensive when we bring up the zero-risk, zero-effort, zero-cost isk faucets that are incursions and l4s

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-03-16 19:36:25 UTC
Andski wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
I know, they say they do want it fixed, but I don't see them packing up all of their moon harvesters and ceasing production, do you?


Because like pre-nerf highsec incursions & FW mechanics or the current 150m isk/hour Forsaken Hubs, we'd be stupid to not take advantage of it while it's there. This doesn't mean we don't think it should be changed or don't want it changed


I call bullshit.

You don't want **** changed, if you did you'd do something about it like shooting monuments in Jita until CCP changed it.

It is easy to say you want it changed on the forums; to actually do something about it, not so much.

I bet if it were an attempt to nerf high-sec or anything that didn't remove the source of your wealth, we'd have whole regions of monuments being shot to ****.

You say you want it changed, how about you actually put action to your words, otherwise you're just posturing on the forums and blowing smoke up our collective asses.


it's not like we've shown everyone how tech is broken, the scale at which it's broken, what we can do with our broken tech income and how CCP could actually balance moons instead of sitting around making useless crap like pants

no, we've been very subtle about our massive income and how other alliances make peanuts in contrast, even with renter empires, we definitely didn't spend a couple hundred billion ISK burning jita and proceeding to pay hisec to destroy itself


Well, all that is obviously not working so looks like it is time to start shooting monuments in the name of removing moon goo and unsubbing until moon goo is removed, remember, those two things light a fire under CCPs ass, everything else just seems to amuse them.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-03-16 19:39:25 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Well, all that is obviously not working so looks like it is time to start shooting monuments in the name of removing moon goo and unsubbing until moon goo is removed, remember, those two things light a fire under CCPs ass, everything else just seems to amuse them.


Why don't you do that?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#84 - 2013-03-16 19:41:30 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:


I call bullshit.

You don't want **** changed, if you did you'd do something about it like shooting monuments in Jita until CCP changed it.



We have been calling for a moon nerf for years including at fan fest, the CSM and general chats to Devs on the forums. Its a very well known fact that many people seem to want to ignore because goons are evil ect.
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-03-16 19:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Goddamned American Capitalist
Andski wrote:
ever notice that whenever pubbies complain about technetium, they suddenly get very tight-lipped if not defensive when we bring up the zero-risk, zero-effort, zero-cost isk faucets that are incursions and l4s


TBH, I'd like to see Incursions changed too, never really ran l4's except for when I was first starting out (I flew a Noctis mopping up behind a Rattlesnake/Tengu pair who blitzed the missions).

I really couldn't care less what happened to either of those, maybe incursions but that'd only be because in my experience they don't get run in 0.0 since they apparently OMGWTFPWN everything and I could never get a group together more than myself and maybe two or three corpies.

I've never run high-sec incursions, never run any incursions at all actually. Go ahead and nerf them into the ground for all I care, though the primary problem I have with Moon Goo is that it is 100% passive, once you set up the tower, it is all ISK printing from there.

Incursions and Level 4's actually require some form of work more than just finding ISK fountain, anchoring on ISK fountain and then sitting in the blue donut swimming in your ISK fountain.

Oh and get it right, I don't care about just Tech, all moon goo needs to be burned.
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-03-16 19:46:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:


I call bullshit.

You don't want **** changed, if you did you'd do something about it like shooting monuments in Jita until CCP changed it.



We have been calling for a moon nerf for years including at fan fest, the CSM and general chats to Devs on the forums. Its a very well known fact that many people seem to want to ignore because goons are evil ect.


Calling for a moon nerf sounds to me like so very much less than the outcry that was heard over incarna. If you're so up in arms about moon goo, give the fight to have it nerfed into the ground or removed the same fire that was given to the whole WiS debacle.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-03-16 19:47:11 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
100% passive, once you set up the tower, it is all ISK printing from there.


Manufacturing and PI are both very passive as well. What about those?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-03-16 19:49:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
100% passive, once you set up the tower, it is all ISK printing from there.


Manufacturing and PI are both very passive as well. What about those?


PI sure could use a rework though I don't see a problem with manufacturing.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-03-16 19:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Andski wrote:
ever notice that whenever goons read a legitimate argument about technetium, they suddenly point to HS players to undermine it when they bring up the zero-risk, zero-effort, zero-cost isk faucets that are incursions and l4s which have nothing to do with moon-goo monopolies


fixed that for you.

As a w-space dweller with ex-nullsecer's in his corp, I find these arguments to be legitimate about the old system of enriching the alliance leaders and impoverishing the null players to have merit.

Don't ban me, bro!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#90 - 2013-03-16 20:00:23 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Calling for a moon nerf sounds to me like so very much less than the outcry that was heard over incarna.
…you mean that perfect shitstorm of developer ignorance on no less than five different issues, all coming together at once, directly affecting pretty much every last player in the game in one way or another, handled in the most incompetent manner imaginable, putting it wa-a-ay up on the list of developer fuckups?

I would suggest that you look up the punctured-equilibrium theory of policy change and contrast it against both advocacy coalition and incrementalism as forces of change and why they pack different “punch”.

You're not really making a reasonable comparison by setting the summer of rage as your benchmark.
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#91 - 2013-03-16 20:10:32 UTC
Tippia, you can say what you want, but after this post, I'll not be addressing you again.

You're a liar and little more, you've chosen to not refute the proof in this very thread.

Besides, if those who say that they are all for the nerf/removal of moon goo really were as up in arms as they'd have us believe, it would be sufficient enough of a reason to behave the same way, especially given CCP's non-action on the topic for so long (assuming you're not also lying about the three year old "FIX MOON GOO NAO!!!!!" threads).
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2013-03-16 20:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Tippia, you can say what you want, but after this post, I'll not be addressing you again.
So you can't come up with any kind of counter-argument, I take it seeing as how you have to resort to personal attacks.

Oh, and top tip if you ever want to actually address any point I make rather than just dismiss it without any reason other than your inability to do so, quote the part you're responding to — it helps your posts look less like irrational lashings out at… god-knows-what.

Quote:
you've chosen to not refute the proof in this very thread.
What proof? All I've seen so far is nonsensical fantasies, a complete ignorance of history, and baseless accusations that go contrary to recorded history.

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Besides, if those who say that they are all for the nerf/removal of moon goo really were as up in arms as they'd have us believe, it would be sufficient enough of a reason to behave the same way
…or maybe you should read up on those theories I presented to you since they offer a framework for you to understand the way these things work. You should probably also read up on that history you've been ignoring to see the context, history and complete inventory of the actions taken to give this problem the salience needed to bump it up on CCP's agenda. Oh, and you should probably have a look at what CCP's plans for null.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#93 - 2013-03-16 20:25:46 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:


Calling for a moon nerf sounds to me like so very much less than the outcry that was heard over incarna. If you're so up in arms about moon goo, give the fight to have it nerfed into the ground or removed the same fire that was given to the whole WiS debacle.


Its slated for work after the ship rebalancing is done.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#94 - 2013-03-16 20:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
baltec1 wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:


Calling for a moon nerf sounds to me like so very much less than the outcry that was heard over incarna. If you're so up in arms about moon goo, give the fight to have it nerfed into the ground or removed the same fire that was given to the whole WiS debacle.


Its slated for work after the ship rebalancing is done.


what 2-4 years from nowQuestion? ShockedRoll
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#95 - 2013-03-16 20:30:35 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:


what 2-4 years from nowQuestion? ShockedRoll


Whenever its done. Ship balance is more important than moon goo.
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-03-16 20:34:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:


what 2-4 years from nowQuestion? ShockedRoll


Whenever its done. Ship balance is more important than moon goo.


Well if moon goo isn't important, why doesn't CCP just shut it off?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2013-03-16 20:36:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Well if moon goo isn't important, why doesn't CCP just shut it off?
Because there's no reason to, and because there are many reasons not to.

Oh, and something else being more important doesn't mean goo isn't important.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#98 - 2013-03-16 20:39:37 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:


what 2-4 years from nowQuestion? ShockedRoll


Whenever its done. Ship balance is more important than moon goo.


Well if moon goo isn't important, why doesn't CCP just shut it off?


Did I say it wasnt important?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#99 - 2013-03-16 20:52:58 UTC
I cannot believe that people this stupid actually exist.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#100 - 2013-03-16 20:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
baltec1 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:


what 2-4 years from nowQuestion? ShockedRoll


Whenever its done. Ship balance is more important than moon goo.


No it isn't now
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'