Market Discussions

Somehow it feels like reading a history book - like it happended ages ago.

It's interesting you mention that, I declined to write that up as I still have the implants to sell but I did some of that quite recently. You couldn't do it back in fw times because Minnie were by far the superior mission faction (no ecm, damps, short route between 15 agents, no black rise to negotiate (that place is huge!)) and minnie/gal cosmos stores were worthless. A few weeks ago the Amarr actually got enough warzone control to dock in their agent systems though and that gave you access to do a basic Amarr mission route which has the advantage of only being painted.

We put some time into that not long ago using shared missions to have the same few toons run missions and share the corp standing gain with a larger group of toons. If you used the mechanics correctly it's actually quite quick, you can have each of your missioning toons join a fleet finder of 10 standings leeching toons and share to pass on 91% of the standing gain from the missions each time. That way, as long as you have a large supply of characters, you can farm akemon's and michi's (only worth 3b or so now).

The actual getting of the faction standing is pretty rough because the sharing of a mission with a character doesn't reliably trigger a promotion standings check (if your corp standing is >x then you get a promotion) so what you end up doing is needing to trigger a chain of like 6 standings checks once your corp standing is 7 to get the promotions and faction standings you earned. This can be done with any plex completion, even if shared between toons, or turning in a string of their own missions (6 level 1s completed will give you 6 promotions). I petitioned CCP to make shared missions trigger a standings check but no joy yet.

Basically you couldn't exploit the standings gain because Amarr were always awful but ever since Amarr had any kind of warzone control we've done exactly that. Not surprised we're not the first to use it although I'm not sure if anyone else put the resurgence of Amarr and the ability to blitz 4s for sharing of corp standings together in the last few months.

Yes, that's pretty close to the method we used. However, because we started doing it in the earlier days of FW going back way before the implementation of warzone control, we had none of the issues and also had the benefits of defensive plex standings gains to trigger the promotions.

I've flooded the Akemon's market so many times that I ended up having to bypass the contracts system (this being before implants were added to the normal market) entirely and switch to direct sales in order to maintain the value of the implant while shifting the number of units I was generating. Supercapital pilots from Pandemic Legion and our allies hoovered up all that stock and were very happy to get a 20% discount on the market price.

For so long people were saying it simply was not possible to share faction standing increase, but it's been available since FW was first introduced and in such a quick and easy form that you'd be a fool to do it any other way. But back then the PvP in FW was vastly better than it is now so we had less reason to spend time carebearing and more reason to take the fight to Outbreak (who were on the Minmatar side) instead.

Those standings, other than giving you access to the COSMOS rewards and all the other standings related goodies, have been extremely saleable on the character bizarre with basic trade alts that we were churning out by the dozen going for 3b to 5b at the end of the "trial plus one PLEX" period.

When I shared this method with the TLEAF group (our version of the Goonswarm Cabal) the people multi-box farming capital escalations in wormholes had no choice but to abandon that for this easier, more profitable and far more scalable method.

If I remember correctly I dropped some hints on how this method worked in MD back when the Goons were talking about their FW exploits. The response was mostly people being baffled by why anyone would use the Amarr side to make isk instead of the Minmatar side.



Nice to have a form of PvE that actually generates isk worth your time for once.

Anyway, good work figuring it out yourself and hope you milked it hard.

No, I think that's all of it. You and I min/maxed the same mechanics in more or less the same way.

High five and race you to the next one!

First off , nicely 'exploited' a flaw and congratulations there.Not my kinda thing as no matter how much isk can be made off of it it's too repetitive for me to enjoy and if i don't enjoy it i don't do it.Bit like never having done PI and even if one day it could gain me 30 B a month i still wouldn't touch it.

Odd thing is though the only thing sticking with me is the 'noobs making billions and buying high SP chars within a short time' wich to me says ' Noobs being held out rom the best thing eve and any game has to offer , slowly working your way up'.But that's just my own vision , it would have killed any enjoyment in eve for me if i would have had that oportunity when i started playing.

I can totally understand why a new guy would join in offcourse , we all would when we start a game and someone says ' come with us we'll show you how to properly do it'.But especially in eve the journey is better then the actuall arrival.My memories of flying a badger down pure blind with darknesss and budds on my ass or mining for months to aquire myself a raven wich was lost within an hour to an ecp gate camp is more precious then when i hit the 500 B target i had set much later in the game.

In eve being scared of loosing a 10 M ship is a better experience then to be able to buy multiple titans.

Your so much my hero, keep taking the medication