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The Venture, better gas miner?
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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#1 - 2013-03-16 15:25:38 UTC
So with the venture we see a dedicated Gas mining ship, one which alot of people, myself included, have been looking forward to. However, do they actually mine more than a traditional gas mining setup?

From what i understand, 2 turrets limits you to two harvestors, but the 100% role bonus effectively makes this the same as having 4. So with the additional 25% per turret at level 5, does this make the Venture slightly better as a gas harvestor, or am i right in concluding that the new dedicated gas harvestor is actually..... worse?

Thought i'd get some expert opinions before i started mass-producing these things, as they're would be little point if they turn out to be worse than just slapping five T2 harvestors on any hull.

Thanks in advance! Cool

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2013-03-16 15:34:08 UTC
It has 5000 m³ ore hold that is also used for gas. +2 Warpcore stabilizer and a good 4k EHPs with frigate agility.

You decide.

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Haulie Berry
#3 - 2013-03-16 15:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Xen Solarus wrote:
So with the additional 25% per turret at level 5, does this make the Venture slightly better as a gas harvestor, or am i right in concluding that the new dedicated gas harvestor is actually..... worse?
Cool


It has an effective 4 turrets at base.
The skill gives another 25% bonus to cycle speed.

What's 4 / .75?

Is that more, or less, (or neither) than the number of turrets found elsewhere?
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-16 15:53:27 UTC
It turns out exactly the same as a thorax or other 5 turret ship with 5 t2 gas harvesters. You get the 100% bonus, which makes 2 the equivalent of 4, add 25% to that and 2 are equivalent to 5. So your mining is the exact same (though you need less harvesters to do so).

So the advantage is really the align time, the warpcore strength, and the 5k m3 ore hold - all of which are a significant advantage over any other ship that was able to fit 5 gas harvesters. The only disadvantage is EHP... but if you were getting shot in a gas harvesting ship in the first place, you were doing it wrong anyways.

-Arazel
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-16 15:55:44 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
So with the venture we see a dedicated Gas mining ship, one which alot of people, myself included, have been looking forward to. However, do they actually mine more than a traditional gas mining setup?

From what i understand, 2 turrets limits you to two harvestors, but the 100% role bonus effectively makes this the same as having 4. So with the additional 25% per turret at level 5, does this make the Venture slightly better as a gas harvestor, or am i right in concluding that the new dedicated gas harvestor is actually..... worse?

Thought i'd get some expert opinions before i started mass-producing these things, as they're would be little point if they turn out to be worse than just slapping five T2 harvestors on any hull.

Thanks in advance! Cool


No you are incorrect. Geez you don't even have to do math, just plug into eft or check in game and look at the stats.

Traditional 5 harvester ship. 150m3 every minute
Venture at lvl 5. 160m3 every minute.

Not having to jetcan and pick up gas later in a hauler, priceless.
Haulie Berry
#6 - 2013-03-16 15:58:18 UTC
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
It turns out exactly the same as a thorax or other 5 turret ship with 5 t2 gas harvesters. You get the 100% bonus, which makes 2 the equivalent of 4, add 25% to that and 2 are equivalent to 5. So your mining is the exact same (though you need less harvesters to do so).

-Arazel



It's a cycle time bonus, not a yield bonus, so you actually divide by 1-bonusAmt instead of multiplying.

The end result is that a venture sports about 5 and 1/3 effective turrets.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#7 - 2013-03-16 16:08:47 UTC
Technically a turret BC could get more yield since you could use the mining foreman cycle time module to increase yield further, but that would require you to be in a fleet, so the Venture is definitely more practical.

Plus, the 5k ore hold is fantastic.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-16 16:25:19 UTC
Yay for EFT warriors and paper stats.

Then the gas pops you.Lol
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#9 - 2013-03-16 16:26:11 UTC
Interesting, and thanks for the responses!

I'm definately putting some of these into production. Cool

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trevormax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-16 21:12:16 UTC
Ignoring the fact that you get a little bit more gas/min in the venture and the 5k ore/gas hold and the crazy fast align time and frig speed and the +2 warp strength, it is also much much cheaper than using a BC or cruiser.

Only needing 2 gas harvesters saves a fair chunk of change over having to use 5 on the BC/cruisers. Also not having to decide if you should use cargo rigs or not as they dont matter on the venture (which also ads a bit of cost to the ship). So for the price of one BC with 5 t2 harvesters and 3 cargo rigs you could probably buy and fit a dozen ventures.

Downsides, no tank and you can not fit a link to one.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2013-03-17 00:19:45 UTC
trevormax wrote:
you can not fit a link to one.


That's what alts are for.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-03-17 05:03:53 UTC
Venture is pretty sick for gas mining.

For wormhole gas mining where you want to be as hard to scan as possible and you don't need to fit tank:

Improved Cloaking Device II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
ECCM - Mag II
ECCM - Mag II
ECCM - Mag II
Magnetometric Backup Array II

Sensor Strength 30.3
Signature 40m
Yield 160/min

Add in a perfect orca (assuming under WH pos shield) with Mining Laser cycle time link II, Sensor Integrity II, Evasive Maneuvers II and mining foreman mindlink and you get

Sensor Strength 31.2
Signature 32.5
Yield 236/min
frigate gtfo

For shield tank (which is just me eve warrior-ing)

Prototype Cloaking Device I
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Power Diagnostic System II
Small Core Defense Field Purger I
Small Core Defense Field Purger I
Small Core Defense Field Purger I

EHP: 6587
Defense: 68
Yield: 160/min

With perfect orca, Mining lazer cycle time, shield harmonizing gang link II, mining foreman mindink
EHP: 8508
Defense: 90
Yield: 236

I'm not sure if this frigate will be able to tank the damage cloud sites, but it seems like it would be pretty close. Plus the giant ore hold that puts it ahead of most other ships.\