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Should nullsec industry > hisec industry?

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Frying Doom
#961 - 2013-03-12 06:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Actually this thread and the others in the last few days have made me come to realise why people would be members of Goonswarm.

Goons are arrogant jerks, who frankly have a massive chip on their shoulders and love to look down on everyone else. I must say they have always sickened me.

But with these threads I have come to realize the why of their culture.

They are almost a separate entity in EvE, once you are a goon no one smart will ever have you afterwards and this is what it is all about, it is a line in the sand that says that goons are not with the others of this game

And after this thread I can definitely see a reason to separate yourself from a large amount of the population and just go "I don't know these people" and now I see it isn't them being jerks, it is just self defense to stop them going insane.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Goldnut Sachs
#962 - 2013-03-12 07:15:31 UTC
correct it is a cultural thang
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=208832&find=unread
"I don't know these people"
Frying Doom
#963 - 2013-03-12 07:27:57 UTC
Goldnut Sachs wrote:
correct it is a cultural thang
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=208832&find=unread
"I don't know these people"

Maybe I haven't had enough coffee today, but I am finding myself constantly thinking "These people play EvE, it is a miracle, as they should have been shot at birth."

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#964 - 2013-03-12 09:33:58 UTC
Coal Porter wrote:
"Should Null industry > High sec industry?"

No of course not. What kind of re..cursive thinker believes that industry in a war zone should be more profitable than industry in a Non-war zone?

Lockhead Martin doesn't, and they have been building stuff for the war machine for quite some time now. They must be morons who don't recognize how Risk vs Reward should work.
Hummer didn't build Hummers in Bosnia, never did, never will till it becomes a peaceful place where employees can commute to work safely because it would be cost prohibitive to provide an armored hummer to each employee just so they could arrive at work alive...and no guarantee even then with land mines and all.

Boeing (bunch of ***** carebears) thinks it would be insane to build an aircraft factory in Afghanistan (null sec). Suppose a regime (SOV) change occurred in the middle of a run of Bombers ( Ok, no one is building dreads or carriers in HS :P ...insert relevant Eve product)...that would be a HUGE loss to a RL (EVE) corporation, even one that size.

There are no tank manufacturers building tanks in war zones...yet think of the shipping costs they would save with all that heavy product...the Retards!!! Oh wait...they sell their products to Military Reps in Safe Land, and the Military hauls their new shineys to the war zone themselves in C5 Galaxies (Jump Freighters) designed especially for that purpose... Just like in EVE.


Someone way way back in this thread mentioned that the Null sec industry whine is based on a false premise.
"Risk should equal Reward" is insane, or everyone would be doing it, and it would not be risky.


You might want to look up Britain from 1939 to 1945 if you are going down the "this can't happen in RL" route.

Then you can tell me which empire in histroy had no industrial base.
Frying Doom
#965 - 2013-03-12 09:36:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Coal Porter wrote:
"Should Null industry > High sec industry?"

No of course not. What kind of re..cursive thinker believes that industry in a war zone should be more profitable than industry in a Non-war zone?

Lockhead Martin doesn't, and they have been building stuff for the war machine for quite some time now. They must be morons who don't recognize how Risk vs Reward should work.
Hummer didn't build Hummers in Bosnia, never did, never will till it becomes a peaceful place where employees can commute to work safely because it would be cost prohibitive to provide an armored hummer to each employee just so they could arrive at work alive...and no guarantee even then with land mines and all.

Boeing (bunch of ***** carebears) thinks it would be insane to build an aircraft factory in Afghanistan (null sec). Suppose a regime (SOV) change occurred in the middle of a run of Bombers ( Ok, no one is building dreads or carriers in HS :P ...insert relevant Eve product)...that would be a HUGE loss to a RL (EVE) corporation, even one that size.

There are no tank manufacturers building tanks in war zones...yet think of the shipping costs they would save with all that heavy product...the Retards!!! Oh wait...they sell their products to Military Reps in Safe Land, and the Military hauls their new shineys to the war zone themselves in C5 Galaxies (Jump Freighters) designed especially for that purpose... Just like in EVE.


Someone way way back in this thread mentioned that the Null sec industry whine is based on a false premise.
"Risk should equal Reward" is insane, or everyone would be doing it, and it would not be risky.


You might want to look up Britain from 1939 to 1945 if you are going down the "this can't happen in RL" route.

Then you can tell me which empire in histroy had no industrial base.

One would definitely not want to mention the forts set up on the frontiers by the roman legions either.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#966 - 2013-03-12 09:45:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

One would definitely not want to mention the forts set up on the frontiers by the roman legions either.


Or their legions in general.
Goldnut Sachs
#967 - 2013-03-12 09:50:15 UTC
hur hur hur we do not sow
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#968 - 2013-03-16 09:40:06 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:

The real issue is the amount of minerals needed to conduct an alliance's day to day business (cta, structure grinding, etc). This is why 425mm rails are bought so much. When you see a sov jf kill look at how many rail guns are in the cargo. The 425mm is the best item for mineral compression. Mineral compression is when, during reprocessing, nearly as many minerals are taken out of the item as were put in to produce the item being reprocessed. That costs money for the rails, for the production, for the jump fuel, for the cynos, etc etc.

All this is beyond the realm of highsec industry. Where a highsec miner's biggest issue isn't being able to afk mine in a few areas or the production line.



425mm RG compression being replaced by a better mineral compression item would really the show there the real problem is with Null SEC industry? or is more needed? or should NULL just realize that's the price of living in NULL?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#969 - 2013-03-16 09:42:17 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
or should NULL just realize that's the price of living in NULL?


what's the cost of living in hisec?

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#970 - 2013-03-16 09:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
or should NULL just realize that's the price of living in NULL?


what's the cost of living in hisec?


bad logistics for 1
worse industry like the wild west in the US had....

I do think better materials though not as easily accessable
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#971 - 2013-03-16 10:05:41 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
or should NULL just realize that's the price of living in NULL?


what's the cost of living in hisec?


bad logistics for 1
worse industry like the wild west in the US had....

I do think better materials though not as easily accessable


worse industry? bad logistics?

industry in hisec is literally the best in the game, the only limitation being that you can't build capitals, but you have single systems with hundreds of available slots within 3 jumps of jita

logistics is hilariously easy too considering that there are tons of people doing freighter runs for peanuts

please tell me more about the egregious cost of living in hisec

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#972 - 2013-03-16 10:13:43 UTC
Oh look, this thread again. I thought it had died. Roll
flakeys
Doomheim
#973 - 2013-03-16 10:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Andski wrote:

logistics is hilariously easy too considering that there are tons of people doing freighter runs for peanuts

please tell me more about the egregious cost of living in hisec


Nullsec : logistics is hilariously easy too considering that there are jumpfreighters , jumpbridges , warp to 0 , blueblocs ....

Please tell me more about the egregious logistics in null compared to what it once was.Now tell me how much high traffic changed over the same number of years.

Spoiled brats is what i call that , how i'd love to see null returned to it's state in 2004 just to show you how 'easy' they made it for you.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#974 - 2013-03-16 10:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
or should NULL just realize that's the price of living in NULL?


what's the cost of living in hisec?


bad logistics for 1
worse industry like the wild west in the US had....

I do think better materials though not as easily accessable


worse industry? bad logistics?

industry in hisec is literally the best in the game, the only limitation being that you can't build capitals, but you have single systems with hundreds of available slots within 3 jumps of jita

logistics is hilariously easy too considering that there are tons of people doing freighter runs for peanuts

please tell me more about the egregious cost of living in hisec


sorry I did mix that up/ NULL SEC should have worse logistics & industry likethe wild west for the most part had ( except for some good precious ore refining )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#975 - 2013-03-16 10:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
flakeys wrote:
Spoiled brats is what i call that , how i'd love to see null returned to it's state in 2004 just to show you how 'easy' they made it for you.


Protip: This *might* have more impact if you weren't saying it to someone from an alliance who conquered large swaths of space in the south without jump bridges, jump freighters and a handful of carriers at best.

DarthNefarius wrote:
sorry I did mix that up/ NULL SEC should have worse logistics & industry likethe wild west for the most part had ( except for some good precious ore refining )


So you want an RL analogue "Wild West" except without that whole part where the people living there eventually turned it into a prosperous addon to civilization (with far less technological capability than the Eve universe has, I might add). Something's not quite right about that, don't you think?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
flakeys
Doomheim
#976 - 2013-03-16 10:24:00 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Spoiled brats is what i call that , how i'd love to see null returned to it's state in 2004 just to show you how 'easy' they made it for you.


Protip: This *might* have more impact if you weren't saying it to someone from an alliance who conquered large swaths of space in the south without jump bridges, jump freighters and a handful of carriers at best.



Let's forget who tagged along shall we , you did it allllll on your own.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#977 - 2013-03-16 10:25:06 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
sorry I did mix that up/ NULL SEC should have worse logistics & industry likethe wild west for the most part had ( except for some good precious ore refining )

No.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#978 - 2013-03-16 10:27:17 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Let's forget who tagged along shall we , you did it allllll on your own.


You mean more alliances who didn't have jump freighters or jump bridges?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#979 - 2013-03-16 10:29:32 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
or should NULL just realize that's the price of living in NULL?


what's the cost of living in hisec?


bad logistics for 1
worse industry like the wild west in the US had....

I do think better materials though not as easily accessable


worse industry? bad logistics?

industry in hisec is literally the best in the game, the only limitation being that you can't build capitals, but you have single systems with hundreds of available slots within 3 jumps of jita

logistics is hilariously easy too considering that there are tons of people doing freighter runs for peanuts

please tell me more about the egregious cost of living in hisec


sorry I did mix that up/ NULL SEC should have worse logistics & industry likethe wild west for the most part had ( except for some good precious ore refining )


And hi-sec shouldn't have level 4s or ships that can't be flown by trial accounts because it's just a starter area amirite?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Josef Djugashvilis
#980 - 2013-03-16 10:41:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
or should NULL just realize that's the price of living in NULL?


what's the cost of living in hisec?


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