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And you thought HI was too safe???? Welcome to Thunderdome™

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2013-03-16 08:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Gotta like how the spacerich NULLbears try to paint SOV as too tuff while amassing TECH fortunes that'll last for years....
Every future expansion that doesn't address the moon goo bottle neck that lead to this Thunderdome™ is another expansion that in IMHO will lead to NULL's stagnation....
While I understand Shaddooo's tactical desire to have TECH funded gudfights for his owns everlasting tech funded wars the rest of Eve will suffer...
Instead of misdirecting all Eve's ills on HI SEC lets point it at were its due: its time to break the near TECH monoploy CCPAttention
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#2 - 2013-03-16 09:01:48 UTC
It's hard when you're not big. Some of the null people who are talking about how hard things are aren't goonswarm. the small businesses of eve do fail within a year.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#3 - 2013-03-16 09:04:41 UTC
Tech isn't the problem. The sov grind is.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-03-16 09:05:08 UTC
You are linking to some hopeless nerds terrible blog, like it was some kind of source of relevant information?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-16 09:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
hisec incursion runners are upset over how things are done, refuse to do anything about it despite having hundreds of billions of isk to play with, opt to run more incursions instead

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-16 09:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
It's hard when you're not big. Some of the null people who are talking about how hard things are aren't goonswarm. the small businesses of eve do fail within a year.


You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them. A TMC guy pointed this out not long ago but all the highsec people shot him down because "Abloobloobloo Tech moons". Even those of us whose alliances are space rich (for the most part) realise the bad state that nullsec is in & would like to see it fixed.

CCP made a crappy sov system then made it worse by not listening to the playerbase, but we'd be stupid to not take advantage of it while it's still available. It was the same deal with highsec incursion payouts. It was far too profitable, but we still took advantage of it. DarthNefarius likes to overlook that.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#7 - 2013-03-16 09:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Mallak Azaria wrote:

You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.


BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-16 09:47:52 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.


BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no?


no, just the way the world works

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-03-16 09:50:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.


BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no?


no, just the way the world works


Unless you live in NPC space, in which case you can solo around (or just be in a corp) quite happily. Plenty of people live like that in Stain and Curse.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#10 - 2013-03-16 09:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

You basically have to be sponsored by a large, well funded alliance to survive in nullsec these days. Or rent from one of them.


BoB politics/paradigm at its peak, no?


no, just the way the world works


While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Balthisus Filtch
RISE Inc.
#11 - 2013-03-16 10:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Balthisus Filtch
So here is the problem with fixing moon goo.

New player base comes from 2 main places.

1 - random people pulled in by marketing, PR and advertising

2. - the 2 big nullsec blocks which feed players into the game from the IRL websites they are linked to

The majority of people want to play games casually (if you don't believe that then just look at the dumbing down of any major franchise). Unsurprisingly then a significant portion of new players that arrive in EVE also want to play casually. If developers don't cater to them then the game suffers significantly financially.

The random ppl joining in hi-sec get relative safety and a mission system/ship progression to suit their needs.

Those joining major power block get free ships and modules paid for by Moon goo. Their game consists of no hassle /hard work major fleet fights.

Turn off the moon goo and free stuff alliance programs and you might just turn off a significant route by which new players are attracted into and retained in the game. Clearly Moon Goo is totally game unbalancing and totally unfair..... BUT having implemented it, how do they get themselves out of it without damaging themselves financially.

IMO this is why the most obvious fix in the game hasn't appeared to gather any momentum to being fixed. CCP aren't stupid, they see the problem - but there is no win win solution right now.

Final killer - its the new players that pay for subscriptions - the older player base are in the main buying plex from new players - so financially new players are the lifeblood of the game. So that moon goo led gameplay driven by the IRL websites is really key to CCP, that constant stream of new players joining and leaving is good for them.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-16 10:01:37 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson )


several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist

of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-16 10:02:53 UTC
Balthisus Filtch wrote:
So here is the problem with moon goo.

New player base comes from 2 main places.

1 - random people pulled in by marketing, PR and advertising

2. - the 2 big nullsec blocks which feed players into the game from the IRL websites they are linked to

The majority of people want to play games casually (if you don't believe that then just look at the dumbing down of any major franchise). Unsurprisingly then a significant portion of new players that arrive in EVE also want to play casually. If developers don't cater to them then the game suffers significantly financially.

The random ppl joining in hi-sec get relative safety and a mission system/ship progression to suit their needs.

Those joining major power block get free ships and modules paid for by Moon goo. Their game consists of no hassle /hard work major fleet fights.

Turn off the moon goo and free stuff alliance programs and you might just turn off a significant route by which new players are attracted into and retained in the game. Clearly Moon Goo is totally game unbalancing and totally unfair..... BUT having implemented it, how do they get themselves out of it without damaging themselves financially.

IMO this is why the most obvious fix in the game hasn't appeared to gather any momentum to being fixed. CCP aren't stupid, they see the problem - but there is no win win solution right now.

Final killer - its the new players that pay for subscriptions - the older player base are in the main paying for plex - so financially new players are the lifeblood of the game. So that moon goo led gameplay driven by the IRL websites is really key to CCP, constant stream of new players joining and leaving is good for them.



yeah no that's not how it works

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#14 - 2013-03-16 10:06:15 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson )
several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle



EVEneeds ALOT more ******* jumgles like there where in Viet NAM to make more niches viable then the big boys have right now to trump them
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#15 - 2013-03-16 10:09:39 UTC
Welcome to the jumgle.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#16 - 2013-03-16 10:11:56 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Welcome to the jumgle.


Where's my canniester of agent orange?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#17 - 2013-03-16 10:16:31 UTC
Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago

Yes we know that they're using the SOV grind as an excuse while only saying "fix it" and giving no ideas on how to.

I strongly believe that CCP is scared to make "Big changes" to the game after the Incarna incident. Which throughly explains why they've been releasing overglorified patches instead of actual expansions. I can see CCP pushing work on other games (Dust and maybe that Vampire game....whatever it's called.) Before thay make big changes to EVE, ESP "Broken SOV mechanics."

OR, I could go on the Tinfoil hat route and **** off devs. (One word, it's a mix of A job title that we call employees that work for CCP and a certain large powerbloc. Say that one word, BAM, instant vacation from forums.)

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-03-16 10:26:35 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson )
several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle



EVEneeds ALOT more ******* jumgles like there where in Viet NAM to make more niches viable then the big boys have right now to trump them


You mean like 2500 W-space systems?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-03-16 10:27:37 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Yes we know Powerblocs are fat and happy with broken "ATMs" that CCP promised to fix..........2 years ago


If by "happy" you mean "have been begging, pleading, yelling and just plain asking for CCP to fix them" then sure I guess.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#20 - 2013-03-16 10:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Malcanis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
While some say the World works in hyprocrisy i still think it fumbles over itself & ends up worse off for it... guess there is only 1 way to learn ( & yet still ignore the lesson )
several smaller alliances occupying some sov space can certainly form a defensive bloc that only sets standings when one of them faces a larger external threat, and such blocs exist of course they'd probably get mopped away by a more organized bloc if it came to that but, again, that's just the law of the jungle



EVEneeds ALOT more ******* jumgles like there where in Viet NAM to make more niches viable then the big boys have right now to trump them


You mean like 2500 W-space systems?


NAAAH more like current gold mines should run dry eventually some faster then others and stale systems should get some embarrassing overgrowth that threatens SOV
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
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