Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem is you think having more skill points faster is helpful. Having 40 mil skill points does not mean you can "play well." The system we have now has already been tweaked over the last ten years.

Train Cybernetics to 5 and get some +5 implants. Best we can do for you right now...

You can somewhat mitigate the podding loss with jump clones, you can jump once every 24 hours. Have one in highsec, with attribute implants that you can jump into for a few days if you're doing something other than PvP, just jump back into a lowsec zero implant or cheap combat implant clone for FW.

If you don't know about jumpclones, look into it, you can get them with no standings grind via Estel Arador Corp Services

Thanks you again for being constructive, that is actually helpful to me and to others in my place.

NO!

This is where I think you don't allow for what Eve is. Eve has always been a game about the future. When you start you need to realise that you are playing for the long term, not immediately. I have been playing since 2009 and by some players still considered a newbie, however it took me all of 10 minutes to realise that I couldn't just come in here and expect to be equal to everyone immediately.

Eve is about time. Everything in this game takes time. It takes time to train skills. It takes time to produce ships and modules. It takes time to research that blueprint. It takes time to set up structures.

However your argument that skills = playing well is so flawed. I've seen 2 day old players killing players who have been around for years. Skills are how you fit better items, not how you fit ships. A player with 2 months training can fly frigates as good as someone who has been playing since 2003.

This thread keeps re-appearing every so often, and it's always responded to in the same way. Essentially what you are asking for is to buy power (something all players should not want, and CCP have said they don't want to ever do), to get into ships that you shouldn't be flying. Just in case you are new and not an alt, the last time players found out that CCP had lost their way and were going to try and sell power (by selling better guns and ammo for real money), there were riots in Jita.

There is nothing wrong with the skill training system as it is, but people need to learn to patient with Eve, as instant gratification rarely happens and when it does, it's so few and far between that your chances of it happening to you are basically zero.

If you are dying a lot in PVP, then you need to look at the way your ship is fitted, and how you fight. If you are worried about making money via industry then start small and work up to the big stuff. Again its about being patient.

Buying Skill Points is not needed nor wanted. The skill system works perfectly in "closing" and sometimes negating the difference between an older player and younger player.

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- All skills cap at level 5. No matter how many years you have played the game, you cannot exceed that limit. And lower level skills (ex. [Racial] Frigate) are very quick to train relative to more advanced skills.

- Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, weapon system, and specialty at any given time.
Ex1: Someone you are facing has about 20 million SP, but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related? He/she could be a HUGE industrial player with limited combat skills.
Ex2: A veteran player has just trained up the skill Large Hybrid Turret to level 5. That skill in no way affects the skill Small Hybrid Turret and thus the veteran will be no better or worse than before at the frigate level.

- Getting a skill from level 4 to level 5 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there (exceptions apply). If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty to level 4, you will find yourself flying at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran with those same skills in that specific specialty at level 5.

- Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4 (because it's faster).

- Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another.
Ex: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor every 24 second... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor every 3 seconds... etc. etc.


tl;dr...
- the point of the skill system is to force you to learn the game's mechanics and nuances in cheaper equipment and ships... that way when you DO gain access to more expensive equipment and ships, you know HOW to use them properly.

- High tech equipment (ex. T2, Faction, Officer, etc) will not give a player "I WIN" abilities. It simply gives a player a linear edge at an exponentially higher cost.
Ex: A group of three T1-fit frigates that cost about 500 to 800 thousand ISK CAN kill a faction frigate worth about 50 million ISK... provided they are using the right mods in the right configuration and know what they are doing.

- more SP is not indicative of a pilot's ability. It just means that the pilot has more options in what he/she can do.

- no one ship is superior to everything in the game. Even Titans, the largest ship in the game, has its Achilles heel; smaller ships.

Adrenaline and panic lose more noob ships than skill points.

You can be competitive in the frigate range of ships within a few weeks. If you learn to fly, and fit your ships. However all the skill points and all the fittings won't mean a thing when you get those shakes.

EVE takes care of the skills, you get a boost being a noob, faster training times, and like the other poster mentioned the learning skills are gone. To put that in perspective you have the effects of about 2million sp of training to learn faster, preloaded into your head.

If you are pvping in low sec, you can not be podded unless you let them, or they have smart bombs. Get some plants, pick 1 ship to specialize in. You can have t2 frigates in less than 3 months.

tl;dr, the "problem" you have identified is not a problem, but the system as it is intended.

You probably didn't search Features and Ideas, did you? Agreed with others - no.

Thread moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

EVE is not the game for you if you're unwilling to put time & effort in to getting somewhere. The current system works quite well as it puts a time limit on ship progression for newer players which gives them time to learn their chosen ships before moving on to something bigger & more expensive.