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About that incident on 3-14
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1 - 2013-03-15 23:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Is there any news regarding the "Caldari incursion" that occured yesterday?

It's almost like a media blackout has occurred and I cannot think of why off hand.


I was there. So basically a freighter crossed into Federation space being pursued by a host of Caldari battleships. Some chest-beating ensued, and some ships got destroyed.

Missed in all this: the freighter supposedly disappeared in Federation space, like a ghost.


The behavior of both sides in this incident were uncharacteristic, as well as the basis for the incident itself. Somebody had to move a lot of stuff, somehow, and somebody didn't want that to happen, yet it's hard to figure out who wanted what out of this.


The entire thing is fishy and even the media is not reporting it.

From the ship logs:


[ 2013.03.14 20:03:04 ] Auvier Bauvon > You are in Federal territory. Our law applies here.
[ 2013.03.14 20:03:38 ] Auvier Bauvon > You are in direct violation of our border treaty. Return to Kassigainen Immediately.
[ 2013.03.14 20:03:56 ] Sami Okuuda > No, you stand down and allow us to pursue criminals!
[ 2013.03.14 20:04:11 ] Auvier Bauvon > You have no Jurisdiciton here.
[ 2013.03.14 20:04:28 ] Auvier Bauvon > Back down, and return to the Caldari Border Zone.
[ 2013.03.14 20:05:33 ] Sami Okuuda > We will not back down
[ 2013.03.14 20:06:09 ] Johann Rascali > This is the Rattlesnake-class independent Response Vessel "Pride of Yakumo" arriving on field and broadcasting a warning; fire may be directed upon those labaled suspects of breaching the Yulai Convention or threatening Federation assets.
[ 2013.03.14 20:07:13 ] Gouzu Kho > back off caldari, this is Gallente territory. You don't get to butcher innocents here
[ 2013.03.14 20:08:02 ] Auvier Bauvon > This is your final warning.
[ 2013.03.14 20:08:08 ] Akrasjel Lanate > This is Federation space, Caldari Navy shouldnt be here
[ 2013.03.14 20:08:14 ] Auvier Bauvon > Return to the Caldari Border Zone immediately.
[ 2013.03.14 20:08:15 ] Sami Okuuda > No, this is your final warning! Let us move on now or face the consequences!
[ 2013.03.14 20:08:24 ] Auvier Bauvon > We wish for no hostility.
[ 2013.03.14 20:08:31 ] Grideris > You're threatening the Fed Navy on their own home turf?
[ 2013.03.14 20:08:48 ] Grideris > Sami, this is beyond your boundaries.
[ 2013.03.14 20:09:02 ] Grideris > Heck, by now, even if you did pursue, you wouldn't catch them.
[ 2013.03.14 20:09:08 ] Sami Okuuda > Neither do we, Gallente! We wish only to apprehend the enemies of the State
[ 2013.03.14 20:09:20 ] Gouzu Kho > thats fine, but NOT HERE
[ 2013.03.14 20:09:30 ] Akrasjel Lanate > But this is the Fed space you have no authority here.
[ 2013.03.14 20:09:53 ] Auvier Bauvon > You need to understand, you are now under jurisdiction of Federal law. Your laws do not apply here.
[ 2013.03.14 20:10:13 ] Sami Okuuda > I don't care about laws, I care about justice!
[ 2013.03.14 20:10:28 ] Gouzu Kho > are you stupid ?
[ 2013.03.14 20:10:40 ] Sami Okuuda > I care about the safety of the Caldari! Now stand down!
[ 2013.03.14 20:10:55 ] Gouzu Kho > go make it safe, over there, at your side of the border
[ 2013.03.14 20:10:57 ] Grideris > It's not Justice if it's not done by the law. It's Vigilantism
[ 2013.03.14 20:11:14 ] Herzog Wolfhammer > C'mon level heads everybody
[ 2013.03.14 20:11:41 ] Meizu Kho > caldari rats roll your mats
[ 2013.03.14 20:12:01 ] Grideris > If you proceed, you will do more to endanger the State than catching them could have.
[ 2013.03.14 20:12:03 ] Auvier Bauvon > You leave us no choice, and have brought this on yourselves.
[ 2013.03.14 20:13:03 ] Sami Okuuda > CALDARI NAVY PILOTS! RETURN FIRE!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2013-03-15 23:39:15 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#3 - 2013-03-15 23:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Ah thanks!

I would have figured such an incident to at least get its own headline though.

Still, once they were stopped at the gate, the freighter was long gone. There was no point in attempting to pursue from there, they had already lost it, and I am wondering if that was a diversionary tactic because that freighter was unchallenged even by federal forces.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#4 - 2013-03-16 02:10:37 UTC
I see my habit of blindly jumping into a hostile system is catching on.

Glory

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#5 - 2013-03-16 04:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones due to this unfortunate failure of diplomacy.

It is my wish that the Federal Navy might consider cooperation with our own in the future, to help contain future threats to our mutual sovereignty. A joint task force to confront major pirate organizations would be an ideal starting point. There are many to choose from : the Guristas, the Goonswarm, or the Serpentis would make ideal starting points.

My heart also goes out to those in the Cluster who are unjustly persecuted. May justice find the guilty and spare the innocent.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-16 05:17:43 UTC
I wonder what the deal with the freighter is. The Caldari forces should not have entered Federal space to pursue, but it is fishy how no attempts were made by the Federation to stop it, as if they wanted it to get away. Also, it's unusual for the border patrol forces of any of the Big Four to open fire first, especially Federal patrols. I even heard of a few incidents where Federation forces came under fire at the border but were not allowed to return fire until an approval from high command.

I have a feeling that the Federation is hiding something here. I haven't heard any stories about this being prepared here at The Scope. It's either out of my jurisdiction or nothing is being reported on it at all. The latter would be an immediate red flag of something scary going on. Media blackouts are fairly common in the State and the Empire, but when something like this happens in the Federation it is usually something pretty bad.

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BloodBird
The Crucible.
#7 - 2013-03-16 05:24:10 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones due to this unfortunate failure of diplomacy.

It is my wish that the Federal Navy might consider cooperation with our own in the future, to help contain future threats to our mutual sovereignty. A joint task force reject to confront major pirate organizations would be an ideal starting point. There are many to choose from : the Guristas, the Goonswarm, or the Serpentis would make ideal starting points.

My heart also goes out to those in the Cluster who are unjustly persecuted. May justice find the guilty and spare the innocent.


Yes, it would be great, would it not? All we would have needed was some good-will and perhaps a few decades of peace to let the old wounds heal and some trust be made, ne?

To bad you squandered it on your century-old promise. I don't know what world you live in but in mine if a group starts a war with my Nation and then send warships over the border without explanation they are hunted down and killed.

If this is to change, the situation we find ourselves in have to change first. As usual, we can only hope it happens sooner rather than later.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-03-16 06:11:40 UTC
Perhaps diplomacy might have been pursued with more avidity if the Federation didn't keep, I don't know, KILLING our peace envoys along with hundreds of thousands of civilians?

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Keitunen Eto
Outer Reach Executive Group
#9 - 2013-03-16 07:23:01 UTC
I am not regularly active int he summit, but this incident is only one of many strange things that keep happening.

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-03-16 11:14:33 UTC
What is CONCORD doing exactly ?
Aaron Canis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-16 11:31:01 UTC
That's a big surprise, the Federation and Caldari fighting again.

Smart move by the freighter, whoever it was.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#12 - 2013-03-16 12:10:54 UTC
So let me get this straight...

State Navy is pursuing a State freighter filled with what is believed to be mentally unstable clone soldiers.

Federation Navy attacks State Navy at the border in order to protect the freighter and it's occupants.

Freighter lands somewhere and unloads all the mentally unstable clone soldiers on a planet in Federation space.

Clone soldiers begin shooting up the place.

*double facepalm*

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#13 - 2013-03-16 12:15:48 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

... Federation Navy attacks State Navy at the border in order to protect the freighter and it's occupants...


And i thought we shoot them beacause they crosed the border without any permission from the Federation.

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Ollie Rundle
#14 - 2013-03-16 13:30:50 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So let me get this straight...


No, you didn't. Try again.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-03-16 14:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
What is weird though, is why Federation authorities did not stop that freighter too. I do not mean to shoot it down or anything, but letting away the prey of people ready to risk crossing a border zone just to get to them sounds a little unconscious.

It is almost like Tripwire was so focused on the provocative and intrusive Caldari forces that they totally forgot about that freighter.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#16 - 2013-03-16 14:25:36 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Yes, it would be great, would it not? All we would have needed was some good-will and perhaps a few decades of peace to let the old wounds heal and some trust be made, ne?

To bad you squandered it on your century-old promise. I don't know what world you live in but in mine if a group starts a war with my Nation and then send warships over the border without explanation they are hunted down and killed.

If this is to change, the situation we find ourselves in have to change first. As usual, we can only hope it happens sooner rather than later.


This was an opportunity to start forming moments of goodwill, lost to impulse and mistrust. That you choose instead to use it as an opportunity to point fingers and lay blame is telling, sir. How else would our situation change if not in moments such as these? It will be the bravery of individuals, willing to risk trusting an enemy, that will rescue us from this mutual war. No rhetoric or political grandstanding shall bring peace in our time - just open hearts and clear eyes.

Clear skies, sir. So that you may better see the peaks.
Ollie Rundle
#17 - 2013-03-16 15:10:25 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
It is almost like Tripwire was so focused on the provocative and intrusive Caldari forces that they totally forgot about that freighter.


This is possible. As long as the freighter's transponders and manifest checked out with Federation Customs, it probably wasn't flagged as a threat of any significance - particularly with foreign naval forces on the doorstep conjuring up the ghosts of Tripwire failures past.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#18 - 2013-03-16 19:59:45 UTC
The irony is that if the Caldari Navy had succeeded in destroying the freighter then many Gallente lives would have been saved, as the clone soldiers would have never made it onto their planet.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#19 - 2013-03-16 20:55:49 UTC
I just received this news:

Federation Navy announces inaugural FEDCAFT naval exercises



I don't know who is hiding what, but any observation of news like this and incidents shows that exercises are often used as cover for real military black/false flag operations. There is something going on here.


SSGT Wanderer is being prepped for launch. Time to dust off those combat probes.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Terenius Neo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-03-16 21:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Terenius Neo
After all this incident proves again the reality of war and the major change in it. The fact that we capsuleers aren't the only immortals anymore is... fascinating.

And a simple question arises I think. Why are these soldiers unstable? What exactly made them so? The president names salvage from beyond the wormholes but isn't it curious that except the fact that these soldiers are especially violent and hateful, that they still capture together a freighter, pilot it to a specific location, from a at the moment unknown one and do what they did seams to have at least a little of a plan behind this instability.

Doesn't it?
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