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My Hawk was destroyed by a Rifter...
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Kate Diabolus
#1 - 2011-10-29 11:17:20 UTC
So I encountered a shield Rifter the other day which blew me away quite easily so, i figured I'd ask here for any advice and tips. What are the primary targets for the Hawk? and would the Harpy be better?

[-Hawk]
Rocket Launcher II - Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II - Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II - Thorn Rage Rocket
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Small Capacitor Booster II

Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2011-10-29 11:29:16 UTC
Replace the Cap Booster, Med Shield Boost and Neuts with a Web, Small Shield Booster and a Nos.
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-29 11:32:39 UTC
Learn to fly a rifter.

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-29 11:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
[Hawk, MSE]
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Medium Shield Extender II

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

If you're still managing to lose to Rifters in this, I suggest you take up mining.
Oh and hint: rage rockets are not meant to be used against frigates.

In my experience the MSB fit Hawk is a triumph of EFT figures over practicality; the cap use is enormous and the lack of web limits both your applied DPS and range control.
Kate Diabolus
#5 - 2011-10-29 11:54:48 UTC
Thank you for those constructive replies. I'll give your build a go.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-29 11:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
In fact I've found active Hawks in general pretty lacklustre (sp?) - small shield boosters just don't put out enough unless you invest in overpriced faction mods, and at that point you may as well just be flying a Dramiel.
(And they're still horribly overdependent on cap.)
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#7 - 2011-10-29 14:00:43 UTC
man it just hurts my eft eyes seeing a mse on a hawk. Just doesn't make sense that a extender fit would perform better than an active fit. But experience speaks volumes and i've seen it recommended time and time again. *sigh*
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-29 14:12:28 UTC
Quote:
Oh and hint: rage rockets are not meant to be used against frigates


Um.... Shocked
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-29 14:41:58 UTC
Quote:
man it just hurts my eft eyes seeing a mse on a hawk


Why? Active Hawk is a joke without faction mods, and then it's so overpriced it's a joke anyway. MSE Hawk has about 10k EHP that isn't turned off when someone neuts you, and leaves space for a much needed web.

Quote:
Um....


Problem?
Rage rockets deal reduced damage to small targets, a shield Rifter like in the OP would mitigate approximately 40-50% of your DPS using those without a web, and a fair bit even with it.
Koniss
Advanced Technology
#10 - 2011-10-29 15:33:12 UTC
JitaJane wrote:
Learn to fly a rifter.

more like learn to fly (and fit) a Hawk
river Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-10-29 22:14:20 UTC
You could also get a harpy if your having trouble with the hawk. harpy looks cooler, and would absolutely stomp a rifter.
Lurana Lay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-30 03:20:21 UTC
Get out of a Hawk, get into anything else. Just the way it is.
vlewandowski
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-30 07:48:47 UTC
river Zateki wrote:
You could also get a harpy if your having trouble with the hawk. harpy looks cooler, and would absolutely stomp a rifter.


At tight orbit rifter killing harpy, if harpy don't have web.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-10-30 13:25:02 UTC
Quote:
Get out of a Hawk, get into anything else. Just the way it is.

This isn't 2008 any more, the Hawk is a great AF.

Quote:
At tight orbit rifter killing harpy, if harpy don't have web.

A non-lolfit Harpy on the other hand would indeed stomp a Rifter.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-30 14:27:25 UTC
nerf matar
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
#16 - 2011-10-30 16:27:33 UTC
If you can't beat a tufted in a Hawk then either train more or practice more. You should of chewed him up! And so what if active hawk is cap dependent? So is a triple rep myrm and they're monsters. Learn to manage cap and enjoy the win.
Kate Diabolus
#17 - 2011-10-30 16:42:39 UTC
I have perfect shield skills. The fight started with him getting in close so I unloaded right away and tried to keep up an ab orbit. I started to pulse my booster but he was just eating through faster than it could rep.
Korg Leaf
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-30 18:51:45 UTC
Kate Diabolus wrote:
I have perfect shield skills. The fight started with him getting in close so I unloaded right away and tried to keep up an ab orbit. I started to pulse my booster but he was just eating through faster than it could rep.


That fit should have no trouble tanking a rifter, even if they had the perfect damage type loaded right from the beginning.
Scorpionidae
#19 - 2011-10-30 19:04:46 UTC
I have a good idea... join Red... Blues are much easyer to kill.

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