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BREAKING NEWS: Ground Fighting Erupts on Caldari Prime

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#1 - 2013-03-15 14:55:39 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=breaking-news-ground-fighting-erupts-on-caldari-prime

Honestly I am surprised this has not made the Summit yet. Well then, shall all your barbarous desires come to a head, you warring Empire factions? One side wishes to exterminate the clone soldiers, but not to be outdone the other side races to master the technology and then wishes to exterminate their children too. And now after the violations of boarders in space, so too are violations occurring planet side now.

How long before this conflict spreads from the Algogille gate and the surface of Caldari Prime? When will Navy incursions into enemy space become a common site? Militia action is practicly hand slapping compared to what is to come. Colonies will burn with the hubris of State Loyalty and Federation Freedoms.

The Empires can not hold back or hold down the people any longer. The Uprising shall be so fierce that Heth and Roden will be lucky to survive it. Hopefully, luck is not with them.

Use whatever decency is left in your twisted and shattered minds, Capsuleers. Save the innocents. Do not fight for the mad rulers who would burn worlds to prove a point.
Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
#2 - 2013-03-15 15:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Meghel
This is a curious development.

First we have instability in the Caldari State.

Followed by an atrocity committed by the State against its own people.

Followed by a war of words between Executor Heth and Mentas Blaque.

Yesterday we had a small battle between Caldari State vessels and Federation Vessels which resulted in the destruction of 2 Caldari vessels and the escape of a Caldari Freighter which was being hounded by the Caldari Navy.

This sudden uprising is too convenient. Is this a False Flag operation by the Caldari State to unite its people by portraying the Gallente Federation as an enemy?

United a Divided People by creating a Common Foe.


The Federation people should be vigilant.
We do not know what is going on.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2013-03-15 15:46:44 UTC
Meghel wrote:

Yesterday we had a small battle between Caldari State vessels and Federation Vessels which resulted in the destruction of 2 Caldari vessels and the escape of a Caldari Freighter which was being hounded by the Caldari Navy.


At least five Raven Navy Issue class battleships were downed. I suspect closer to eight, but five is all I can personally confirm. You are seriously lacking in facts about the events of yesterday to start making such claims as you are.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-15 15:53:52 UTC
Meghel wrote:

The Federation people should be vigilant.
We do not know what is going on.


You're right, you don't, though I suspect others in the Federation might. Yesterday's "event" was a border violation by the Caldari Navy while in pursuit of a freighter full of clone soldiers that had crossed into the Federation. The Caldari Navy, but not the freighter, was halted at the border (rightfully so) and after refusing to abandon pursuit, was destroyed by Federal border defense and Tripwire.

Admiral Bauvon, the Federal admiral in charge of the border defense operation was warned that he should consider the persons aboard the fleeing vessel but attested that it was none of his concern. It was later revealed that those individuals would engage in planetside hostilities against Federation assets and personnel. All of this was confirmed in your president's speech.

~Malcolm Khross

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#5 - 2013-03-15 15:57:25 UTC
Well, you invade a planet that doesn't want to be invaded (never mind what the invaders think), and this is what will happen after what the locals will perceive as an extended period of illegitimate rule.

Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#6 - 2013-03-15 16:47:06 UTC
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Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2013-03-15 17:18:16 UTC
Burn them all
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#8 - 2013-03-15 17:20:29 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
Burn them all


We will start with you.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-03-15 18:12:36 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Well, you invade a planet that doesn't want to be invaded (never mind what the invaders think), and this is what will happen after what the locals will perceive as an extended period of illegitimate rule.

Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you.


We have some experience subjugating planets full of people who dislike being invaded. A few unfortunate failures but an overall sterling track record in this department. I'm sure the Empire would be more than happy to discuss effective methodology with the State regarding Caldari Prime should they wish to be educated on the subject.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#10 - 2013-03-15 18:22:27 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:


We have some experience subjugating planets full of people who dislike being invaded. A few unfortunate failures but an overall sterling track record in this department. I'm sure the Empire would be more than happy to discuss effective methodology with the State regarding Caldari Prime should they wish to be educated on the subject.



For that matter, should the Federation feel like taking a turn toward slash-and-burn, the Empire's advice may be equally applicable. Moreover, the ruins created through such processes are lovely, absolutely lovely!

Win-win-win.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#11 - 2013-03-15 18:46:29 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you.


I am pretty sure that any armed opposition or collaborators surviving the fighting will be treated with the full courtesy of martial law. Interesting to see you advocating such a bold move, captain. Or is it king now? Emperor?
Exciting times indeed.


Regarding the ground fighting I am unconcerned given the strength and motivation of the troops stationed on Home. Ground fighting has been on the rise lately - I am sure Intaki is still standing, too.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#12 - 2013-03-15 18:49:03 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
[quote=Seriphyn Inhonores]
Interesting to see you advocating such a bold move, captain. Or is it king now? Emperor?


I believe the appropriate monarchical nomenclature would be "Princess Pop."
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-15 18:56:11 UTC
The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war, but with an increasing anti-caldari message being created in the Federation, it will become very difficult for them to fight Federal forces effectively if a worse case scenario occurs.

If the Gallente forces reign supreme, then that Titan is going to open fire. Once that happens, full scale war begins.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#14 - 2013-03-15 18:58:38 UTC
It's not the Federation fighting the State on Caldari Prime. It is the local residents against the occupational authority. Although the Scope report referred to the partisans as 'Gallente', you can bet that will include ethnic Caldari as well.

Alternatively, it might just be those cloned mercenaries up to no good again.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#15 - 2013-03-15 19:12:03 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war, but with an increasing anti-caldari message being created in the Federation, it will become very difficult for them to fight Federal forces effectively if a worse case scenario occurs.


Worst case scenario = Caldari unity. The Caldari don't often fold when faced with a common threat. We consolidate.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-03-15 19:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiori Shaishi
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war [...]

The State endures, pilot. While there have been incidents, those had their history and reasons. That these are directly indicative of a state on the brink of civil war is in all likelihood an idea originating in the hopeful thinking of the disaffected, or the fevered imaginings of those afflicted with capsule dementia. I very much doubt it will become necessary for Caldari to take up arms against their fellow Caldari in numbers.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#17 - 2013-03-15 20:16:56 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
It's not the Federation fighting the State on Caldari Prime. It is the local residents against the occupational authority. Although the Scope report referred to the partisans as 'Gallente', you can bet that will include ethnic Caldari as well.



I'd advise you to re-read what you just wrote to realize how naive and propaganda laced it sounds.
Caldari boogeymen are so evil that even their own people are turning against them? I always thought thepropaganda and faux news over at Scope had some limits on the matter of not being too absurd.
I'm afraid you've just crossed them.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-03-15 21:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
All demagogues claim that their people will endure, and endure and endure endlessly, no matter the culture, no matter the ethnicity, no matter the race.

Then war happens indeed, and indeed, they endure, for that they believe in every word of the leaders they learned to acclaim.

And someday, after a good deal of things that tend to deeply harass people to the point of not finding war bearable anymore, a few voices raise, and more and more follow. *

No matter the culture. They are suddenly fed up to endure, and unable to withstand it anymore, for that it is a particular trait of most individuals. There is always a breaking point, unless the conflict is a conflict of desperate survival, which is not here.

Let's see how many time you all will endure.

Especially after reading capsuleers telling that to baseliners. The irony.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#19 - 2013-03-15 22:32:04 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
All demagogues claim that their people will endure, and endure and endure endlessly, no matter the culture, no matter the ethnicity, no matter the race.

Then war happens indeed, and indeed, they endure, for that they believe in every word of the leaders they learned to acclaim.

And someday, after a good deal of things that tend to deeply harass people to the point of not finding war bearable anymore, a few voices raise, and more and more follow. *

No matter the culture. They are suddenly fed up to endure, and unable to withstand it anymore, for that it is a particular trait of most individuals. There is always a breaking point, unless the conflict is a conflict of desperate survival, which is not here.

Let's see how many time you all will endure.

Especially after reading capsuleers telling that to baseliners. The irony.


People endure. Sometimes governments, not so much.

I am sure that this is not the end of civilized (as much as it is) society. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to minimize death and destruction.

Then again, maybe if full scale war breaks out the Empires will attempt peace with Nation so they are not fighting on half a dozen fronts at once....No, we're dreaming again.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#20 - 2013-03-15 23:06:27 UTC
I really don't like being right sometimes. Please, let my fears be just fears.

Peace.
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