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Diego Mazzola
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-14 20:16:43 UTC
Here I am to suggest to change the rules of War Declaration, or at least the cost of it.
Actually my alliance of 153 members, and I had a wardec from an almost inactive alliance of 2 members.

There is something wrong in this, the cost of this wardec for the Aggressor is probably less than 80 millions ISKs, the cost for my alliance just for the wardec (stop normal operations, etc, etc) it's over 3 billions.

The idea is to include the number of members of the corp/alliance in the formula to calculate the cost of the wardec dividing the number of the members of the Offender by the number of the members of the Defender.
The result should be put in the formula to calculate the initial cost of the wardec.

Samples:
Members Aggressor less than Members Defender
Aggressor 1, Defender 100
50.000.000/(1/100) = 5.000.000.000
Aggressor 10, Defender 100
50.000.000/(10/100) = 500.000.000
Aggressor 50, Defender 100
50.000.000/(50/100) = 100.000.000

Members Aggressor more than Members Defender
Aggressor 100, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (100/100) = 100.000.000
Aggressor 200, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (200/100) = 400.000.000
Aggressor 500, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (500/100) = 1.000.000.000
Aggressor 1000, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (1000/100) = 2.000.000.000

I think this is the only way to balance the situation and I would like to know your opinion about.

Congratulations to all team CCP for the fantastic work, EVE Online is the best game I played ever!

Best Regards

Diego Mazzola
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-14 20:18:22 UTC
Diego Mazzola wrote:
Here I am to suggest to change the rules of War Declaration, or at least the cost of it.
Actually my alliance of 153 members, and I had a wardec from an almost inactive alliance of 2 members.

There is something wrong in this, the cost of this wardec for the Aggressor is probably less than 80 millions ISKs, the cost for my alliance just for the wardec (stop normal operations, etc, etc) it's over 3 billions.

The idea is to include the number of members of the corp/alliance in the formula to calculate the cost of the wardec dividing the number of the members of the Offender by the number of the members of the Defender.
The result should be put in the formula to calculate the initial cost of the wardec.

Samples:
Members Aggressor less than Members Defender
Aggressor 1, Defender 100
50.000.000/(1/100) = 5.000.000.000
Aggressor 10, Defender 100
50.000.000/(10/100) = 500.000.000
Aggressor 50, Defender 100
50.000.000/(50/100) = 100.000.000

Members Aggressor more than Members Defender
Aggressor 100, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (100/100) = 100.000.000
Aggressor 200, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (200/100) = 400.000.000
Aggressor 500, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (500/100) = 1.000.000.000
Aggressor 1000, Defender 100
200.000.000 * (1000/100) = 2.000.000.000

I think this is the only way to balance the situation and I would like to know your opinion about.

Congratulations to all team CCP for the fantastic work, EVE Online is the best game I played ever!

Best Regards

Diego Mazzola



You all should have just dropped to NPC corp and ignored the war dec.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#3 - 2013-03-14 20:20:19 UTC
This encourages the griefing of small corps, no

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Luc Chastot
#4 - 2013-03-14 21:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Luc Chastot
Honestly, no. CCP has done enough already to make highsec life easier than ever.

Edit: Also, a 150-man strong alliance is afraid of 2 characters who most likely than not belong to the same person? There's something wrong with that.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2013-03-14 21:21:27 UTC
Diego Mazzola wrote:


Samples:
Members Aggressor less than Members Defender
Aggressor 1, Defender 100
50.000.000/(1/100) = 5.000.000.000



I wittled this down so everyone can see what the OP is truely stealth crying about.

OP, Explain to me why your 100 man corp is running from 1 man?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Pan Dora
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-14 23:52:16 UTC
Diego Mazzola wrote:

There is something wrong in this, the cost of this wardec for the Aggressor is probably less than 80 millions ISKs, the cost for my alliance just for the wardec (stop normal operations, etc, etc) it's over 3 billions.
Diego Mazzola


Adverting your Ally as a good target for wardecs, you are doing it right.

Also, your ally paid nothing for the war, the aggressor its the only one that have any cost for the war.

-CCP would boost ECM so it also block the ability of buthurt posting.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#7 - 2013-03-15 03:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I wittled this down so everyone can see what the OP is truely stealth crying about.

OP, Explain to me why your 100 man corp is running from 1 man?

People have been bitching about having war declared on them by people they outnumber by 100+ to 1 for years. And with the current cost scaling system they're winning already, it is apparently groups that are large that deserve to be protected by cost barriers from groups that are small. Or at least that is what CCP thinks.

The question I always want to ask to people who propose absurd price hikes on wars is if they will still be willing to pay me to fight on their behalf when the bill goes up from 1 billion a week to 10 billion a week. I mean impotent highsec carebears are a merc's best clients, they can't fight for themselves, so when they want something bad to happen they pay someone like my alliance to do it for them.
Diego Mazzola
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-15 16:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Diego Mazzola
Guys, the point of this suggestions it's make difficult for the people griefing.

Of course a can change corp during the war, of course an alliance of 150 ppl isn't scared about a corp about 2 ppl!

The point is this kind of wardec isn't to combat, they wardec just to force the bigger corp to stop mine, missions, incursions, etc. So there is a lost of costs for the defender also (indirect, but there is!).

In 2 different occasion in the past I personally camped for 1 week the station of them and they just stay docked (for the few hours they was loggin).

If for you this is to have fun ...

In my opinion this suggestion help to stop this thing.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2013-03-15 18:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Diego Mazzola wrote:
... of course an alliance of 150 ppl isn't scared about a corp about 2 ppl!

... they wardec just to force the bigger corp to stop mine, missions, incursions...

Sounds like you are scared to me. Otherwise you would continue doing your normal operations (with some precautions).

How did you Veterans start?
Diego Mazzola
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-15 22:29:34 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Diego Mazzola wrote:
... of course an alliance of 150 ppl isn't scared about a corp about 2 ppl!

... they wardec just to force the bigger corp to stop mine, missions, incursions...

Sounds like you are scared to me. Otherwise you would continue doing your normal operations (with some precautions).


I still think there is something wrong if a corp of 2 pilot can do so many problems to a corp 10 times bigger just with a wardec.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2013-03-16 01:55:45 UTC
Diego Mazzola wrote:
Guys, the point of this suggestions it's make difficult for the people griefing.

Wars are not a form of griefing. CCP has put that out there time and time again.

Diego Mazzola wrote:
The point is this kind of wardec isn't to combat, they wardec just to force the bigger corp to stop mine, missions, incursions, etc. So there is a lost of costs for the defender also (indirect, but there is!).

Firstly, this is legitimate gameplay, secondly is a corp is really not scared of that 2 man corp then their gameplay won't be impeded by a war from them.

Diego Mazzola wrote:
In 2 different occasion in the past I personally camped for 1 week the station of them and they just stay docked (for the few hours they was loggin).

So exactly what was the problem? Exactly what about you camping someone who declared war on you into a station indicates that the person who declared war on you should have had to pay billions of isk to do it?

If someone is willing to pay money to be at war with you and then not do anything at all then they are already paying money for nothing, why should they have to pay more money to get just as much nothing?

Why should it cost more money for a smaller corp to declare war on a larger one if they are actually effective? The first major highsec war my corporation fought was against 250 man alliance, we had exactly 7 unique human beings in our corp at the time and at the end achieved over 300 kills with 100% efficiency over the course of about a month despite only having about 80 million SP between us. Why should we have had to pay an enormous sum of money just to be able to be at war just because you assume that small groups are inherently ineffective versus large ones and so must just be trolling them and not meaning to actually fight.