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Richard Reveen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-15 17:15:06 UTC
I've never done FW on any character and this was going to be more of a mission runner but FW keeps looking more and more interesting. I am currently a missile user and have heard they are less than adequate for PVP...so should I go into hybrids? Jump into a different race's ships? Minmatar seem to be most popular but I see Amarr quite a bit as well. I was curious what you guys suggest for a Caldari missile user looking to go shoot some dudes.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-15 18:11:15 UTC
Richard Reveen wrote:
I've never done FW on any character and this was going to be more of a mission runner but FW keeps looking more and more interesting. I am currently a missile user and have heard they are less than adequate for PVP...so should I go into hybrids? Jump into a different race's ships? Minmatar seem to be most popular but I see Amarr quite a bit as well. I was curious what you guys suggest for a Caldari missile user looking to go shoot some dudes.


I dunno, I've been killed by quite a few rocket frigates...
Richard Reveen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-15 18:52:29 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Richard Reveen wrote:
I've never done FW on any character and this was going to be more of a mission runner but FW keeps looking more and more interesting. I am currently a missile user and have heard they are less than adequate for PVP...so should I go into hybrids? Jump into a different race's ships? Minmatar seem to be most popular but I see Amarr quite a bit as well. I was curious what you guys suggest for a Caldari missile user looking to go shoot some dudes.


I dunno, I've been killed by quite a few rocket frigates...

Seriously? All I ever hear is that missiles suck and you are a fool if you want to use them.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-15 19:04:31 UTC
Well missiles are different to rockets. I do see a reasonable number of Rocket Kestrels and Caldari Navy Hookbills in FW. They're possibly not super efficient, but they get their kills.
Richard Reveen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-15 19:07:55 UTC
With my low SP I should probably go into something more efficient than rockets (my guess anyway) in order to be effective. If not I'll get some rockets going and see what I can do. Just didn't want to end up headbutting my desk repeatedly because I was stagnant in progression.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-03-15 20:46:13 UTC
Anyone who said that is an idiot


Rockets are great and so are missiles.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Richard Reveen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-15 20:48:09 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Anyone who said that is an idiot


Rockets are great and so are missiles.

For PVP? glad to hear it. Kestrel make good missile/rocket pvp boats right?
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#8 - 2013-03-15 23:40:44 UTC
Some of the most deadly ships in game are missile/rocket ship now.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Richard Reveen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-16 00:47:21 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Some of the most deadly ships in game are missile/rocket ship now.

Well I like the sound of that!
Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#10 - 2013-03-16 11:23:40 UTC
Richard Reveen wrote:
Seriously? All I ever hear is that missiles suck and you are a fool if you want to use them.


Catch up to the present please. That was 2 years ago. Missiles are fine.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#11 - 2013-03-16 12:46:59 UTC
Agreed, missiles/rockets are fine now. LML'S ON ALL THE THINGS!
Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#12 - 2013-03-16 19:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayuren Aakiwa
fly a lml condor, they are quite fun. Once you start getting into t2 frigs and have decent skills, you can get an active tanking Hawk. At that point you just need Biology 3 or so, for eating blue pills constantly, and you go on a rampage. The 400mm armor plate hookbill with 2 webs seems quite nice too but I haven't used that one yet Ugh

Edit: Forgot about the Breacher Attention That is another nice active tanking ship with missiles. That thing is quick too so you can kite with light missiles easily.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-03-16 22:24:53 UTC
Richard Reveen wrote:
... I am currently a missile user and have heard they are less than adequate for PVP...

Guessing you heard that from some care-bear friend or other because it could not be further from the truth. The handful of pure missile boats around can easily match any turret based boat .. biggest difference is that missile boats is usually shield based so unless you are are accustomed to PvP in those hulls you may panic prematurely (ie. when shield fails) and make a disastrous mistake like trying to run or worse yet, freeze up.

Goes for all PvP of course, but armour/hull drops incredibly fast (comparatively) on shield fits which can come as a surprise if one is not prepared for it.

Hookbill, Corax/Talwar, Kestrel/Condor/Griffin, all missile cruisers, DRAKE! are all excellent at what they fo. Raw damage is a little lower than what you get with guns but application is much easier and generally a lot more reliable.

Deep End --- that way --> JUMP!
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2013-03-18 12:20:55 UTC
Richard Reveen wrote:
I am currently a missile user and have heard they are less than adequate for PVP...


This information is completely outdated with regards to small missiles and frigates!
Kron Tronix
Jonas Virpio Corporation
#15 - 2013-03-18 13:33:30 UTC
Richard Reveen wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Anyone who said that is an idiot


Rockets are great and so are missiles.

For PVP? glad to hear it. Kestrel make good missile/rocket pvp boats right?


I have not seen many kestrels tbh, but there is quite many nano condors and hookbills flying about. corax and talwars are also used

Kron
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2013-03-18 13:37:01 UTC
The current CCP test pilot is terribad, and therefore the current lineup of Caldari hulls are OP to compensate.
Banly
Tm8gVGF4
#17 - 2013-03-19 20:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Banly
Rockets/missiles are awesome and if you already have skills it's as good a weapon as any to start pvp with. Rocket kestrel or hookbill work well and the kiting condor seems to be unstoppable (as long as you stay out of scram range).

The only downside is when you are in a fleet you'll almost never get the killmail - you'll do top damage and then the rest of your guys will finish the target off before your next volley arrives.