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[AISA] Caldari Prime and Freedom's Call

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#1 - 2013-03-15 15:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
[[FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE]]

Word reaches us today of combat on the surface of Caldari Prime. The planet, which has a significant population of Gallente Federation citizens trapped on its surface, held hostage by a Leviathan-Class titan above, has been the focal point of Tibus Heth's war and his leadership in the Caldari State as Executor.

This comes at a time when the Caldari people have seen Tibus Heth's tyranny at home, more and more, with no indication of it stopping anytime soon. Kaalakiota citizens have been killed in cold blood, with no evidence of them being a clear and present threat to anyone, while they were protesting.

The time has come to act, and remove the Provist-aligned occupying forces from the surface of Caldari Prime.

I call upon all Federation loyalist ground forces to participate and intervene on the planet and aid the Federation partisans that are fighting for their freedom, and indeed, the freedom of all those under Heth's oppressive rule on Caldari Prime.

I ask the Caldari loyalists, who are currently attempting to grapple with their own leadership murdering two freighters of their own citizens, to not intervene, and let Tibus Heth's prize possession slip from his fingers. Send a message to him, and to the Caldari People as a whole, that Tibus Heth's war and leadership can no longer be tolerated.

When Tibus Heth is removed, a negotiated settlement on Caldari Prime will be possible. But under gunpoint, where millions of lives could be extinguished by a demonstrably heartless and cruel warlord-executor, we must rise up and resist.

Thank you, and may the fates aid our brave citizens on Caldari Prime.

-Julianus Soter

CEO Moira.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-03-15 15:46:58 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
[[FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE]]

I ask the Caldari loyalists, who are currently attempting to grapple with their own leadership murdering two freighters of their own citizens, to not intervene, and let Tibus Heth's prize possession slip from his fingers. Send a message to him, and to the Caldari People as a whole, that Tibus Heth's war and leadership can no longer be tolerated.


You're expecting us to act on your word that a negotiation can be made after we do nothing as you attempt to "liberate" Caldari Prime?

Sorry Soter, the Federation's track record of keeping promises to the Caldari hasn't been a good one. Furthermore, you're in absolutely no position to make such a claim unless you're a representative of the Federation.

Any "intervention" on behalf of the Federation or its loyalists will be met with equal or greater force, this is not a card you want to play at this time.

~Malcolm Khross

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-15 15:49:01 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
the Federation's track record of keeping promises to the Caldari hasn't been a good one.

Physician heal thyself.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#4 - 2013-03-15 15:50:12 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
[[FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE]]

I ask the Caldari loyalists, who are currently attempting to grapple with their own leadership murdering two freighters of their own citizens, to not intervene, and let Tibus Heth's prize possession slip from his fingers. Send a message to him, and to the Caldari People as a whole, that Tibus Heth's war and leadership can no longer be tolerated.


You're expecting us to act on your word that a negotiation can be made after we do nothing as you attempt to "liberate" Caldari Prime?

Sorry Soter, the Federation's track record of keeping promises to the Caldari hasn't been a good one. Furthermore, you're in absolutely no position to make such a claim unless you're a representative of the Federation.

Any "intervention" on behalf of the Federation or its loyalists will be met with equal or greater force, this is not a card you want to play at this time.


My word is all you have at the moment, along with my firm commitment to use our corporation's influence with the Federal Government to effect a peaceful settlement.

It was your Executor, Mr. Khross, that launched an invasion over this planet, for cultural and spiritual purposes. It is time to set aside our hearts and start using our minds, and realize that the mistakes of the past need not be perpetuated ad infinitum.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Anslo
Scope Works
#5 - 2013-03-15 15:51:31 UTC
Would people stop playing politics with people's lives and just get the **** over yourselves?! There are non-coms on that ******* planet that need help! Focus on helping them instead of lobbing heated rods at each other for fucks SAKE!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#6 - 2013-03-15 15:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Anslo wrote:
Would people stop playing politics with people's lives and just get the **** over yourselves?! There are non-coms on that ******* planet that need help! Focus on helping them instead of lobbing heated rods at each other for fucks SAKE!


Paix Azur, for example, which has become a underwater gulag of political prisoners of the Provists.

The non-combatants are victims of the war and occupation. We must aid them directly by removing the instruments of the occupation, the Provist government and the military forces located on the surface.

Also, you don't seem to have gotten this panicked about the war underway on Intaki Prime, Mr. Anslo. But fortunately since our space forces have retaken the system, we should be able to drive off the remaining Provist forces in a short period of time.

I merely ask for your similar support for Caldari Prime.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-03-15 15:59:29 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:

It was your Executor, Mr. Khross, that launched an invasion over this planet, for cultural and spiritual purposes. It is time to set aside our hearts and start using our minds, and realize that the mistakes of the past need not be perpetuated ad infinitum.


You will notice that I have made no apologies for the actions of Executor Heth ever in my history, nor have I justified them. You will also notice that I am not disagreeing with you on principle. I am, however, pointing out that going on "your word" will not be enough and you can be assured the Caldari will not simply stand by while you "liberate" Caldari Prime. Even if every State-loyal capsuleer were to stand down (highly unlikely), the Caldari Navy and other forces would not.

Your word is worthless and your promises are empty.

Ixiris,

What I have stated is true, regardless of whether or not the reverse is also true.

Anslo,

I wish, as well as yourself, that politics were not being played with people's lives. The unfortunate reality is that they are and this clarion call of Moira.'s is not going to diffuse the situation but is far more likely to ignite it.

~Malcolm Khross

Anslo
Scope Works
#8 - 2013-03-15 16:07:55 UTC
Don't give me that crap Khross. This goes to both of you, both 'loyal' capsuleers. Instead of fighting the same gods damned war again and again and letting people, families, who don't even wanna be fighting in the first place die, why don't you use those fancy ships to move non-coms AWAY? Instead of shooting each other and your forces, use those overpriced hunks of metal to move people near the combat zone away. THEN beat your brains in for all I care.

You wanna fight for some stupid 'ideal' that gets people killed? Fine. But try doing something good for a change before acting like a bunch of animals.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Knoot Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-15 16:18:23 UTC
Citizens,

This sort of talk by Gallente worms proves without a doubt that they were involved in attempts to destabilise our precious State. Do not let them take Home away from us. Let the rage of Cold Wind blow over these warmongers! Feel the fierce Storm Wind in your back as we rally to defend our Home!
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-03-15 16:33:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Anslo wrote:
Don't give me that crap Khross. This goes to both of you, both 'loyal' capsuleers. Instead of fighting the same gods damned war again and again and letting people, families, who don't even wanna be fighting in the first place die, why don't you use those fancy ships to move non-coms AWAY? Instead of shooting each other and your forces, use those overpriced hunks of metal to move people near the combat zone away. THEN beat your brains in for all I care.


You have some gall to stand in judgment over me, pilot. You know nothing of my exploits outside of the capsule or even most of my exploits within the capsule. Also, since you apparently don't realize the reality of the situation, not everyone in a war-zone planet wants to be moved, these are their homes. What most of them want is some stability, some measure of security instead of having their home systems change hands over and over again.

There are some things I can't do. I can't move people out of their homes if they don't want it. I can however provide some stability and security if I work to keep Caldari systems in the hands of the State and leave the Federal systems to their own devices. Which I do.

So get off your high-horse and trundle back to your crib, pilot. You have no ground to stand on with me.

~Malcolm Khross

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#11 - 2013-03-15 16:54:19 UTC
Or you could just, y'know, evacuate the Gallenteans off the planet since you think they're in danger. I'm sure the Caldari would more than happy to help you do it, too. Roll

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#12 - 2013-03-15 16:57:25 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Or you could just, y'know, evacuate the Gallenteans off the planet since you think they're in danger. I'm sure the Caldari would more than happy to help you do it, too. Roll


Hard to evacuate people out of an underwater arcology-prison, Katran. The Caldari State Executor also made it clear that any Gallente attempting to flee the planet would be killed or captured, and that the Gallente quarters of the planet's cities would be punished by orbital bombardment.

So, nope.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#13 - 2013-03-15 17:09:29 UTC
The question is not whether or not Heth gave orders to kill everyone in the world for sneezing the wrong way. We already know that he's already done so in the past and will continue doing so until that tumor in his head jumps out and starts tap-dancing on live telecoms.

The question is whether or not the Caldari Navy officers in charge will actually continue to follow those orders full well knowing that the person giving them is unfit for command.

Eventually they will realize that they have to make a choice: Risking death in total war with the Federation and billions, if not trillions, dead to appease the madness of one man or risking death in total war with one man to save the lives of those same people, as well as their own conscience.

There it is, that's it. Those are your choices. And if they don't decide soon then Heth is going to decide it for them.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#14 - 2013-03-15 17:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Julianus Soter wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Or you could just, y'know, evacuate the Gallenteans off the planet since you think they're in danger. I'm sure the Caldari would more than happy to help you do it, too. Roll


Hard to evacuate people out of an underwater arcology-prison, Katran. The Caldari State Executor also made it clear that any Gallente attempting to flee the planet would be killed or captured, and that the Gallente quarters of the planet's cities would be punished by orbital bombardment.

So, nope.



and you believe Heth would act differently if Federation loyalists began an outright assault on State occupying forces?

Consider this; One scenario has Federation loyalists engaging State forces to provide an escape via evacuation from the war zone and threat of bombardment, the other option has Federalist loyalists engaging State forces in an attempt to break surface control and regain the planet for the Federation which can garner no other response from State forces than brutal suppression.

Which one has the greater chance for civilian casualties?

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Anslo
Scope Works
#15 - 2013-03-15 17:17:08 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
You have some gall to stand in judgment over me, pilot. You know nothing of my exploits outside of the capsule or even most of my exploits within the capsule. Also, since you apparently don't realize the reality of the situation, not everyone in a war-zone planet wants to be moved, these are their homes. What most of them want is some stability, some measure of security instead of having their home systems change hands over and over again.

There are some things I can't do. I can't move people out of their homes if they don't want it. I can however provide some stability and security if I work to keep Caldari systems in the hands of the State and leave the Federal systems to their own devices. Which I do.

So get off your high-horse and trundle back to your crib, pilot. You have no ground to stand on with me.


Ask me if I care about your or ANYONE elses exploits. Ask me if I care about your ego stroking conscious soothing logic.

I'll give you a hint; I don't.

I didn't say move them from the planet. You're right. IT's their home. I just said MOVE. As in move the somewhere ELSE on the planet. An outskirt, a small village, SOMEWHERE a dropship or atmo cargo ship could take em.

So get off your own gods damn high horse Malcom, it doesn't suit you at all. This isn't about your State or my Fed. Screw em both. It's about keeping people on that planet who want it safe. And I'm already working to make sure they get SOME safety on-world. So don't sit there and tell me I don't know anything about what people want while you make broad generalizations about every single person on that planet.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#16 - 2013-03-15 17:23:36 UTC
If one were inclined to free the planet from the stylish grip of fascist fashion, and perhaps more specifically from the threat of orbital bombardment, call me crazy - and many do - but wouldn't dealing with the fleet in orbit around the planet be a, you know, logical place to start for, you know, space goody goodies?

TLDR: Form a fleet and take out the titan. Best of luck!

I will observe from a safer distance.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-03-15 17:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Anslo wrote:


Ask me if I care about your or ANYONE elses exploits. Ask me if I care about your ego stroking conscious soothing logic.

I'll give you a hint; I don't.


By the Winds...I don't have to ask. The fact that you make it a point to concern yourself in the affairs of others reveals that you care, whether you want to admit it or not.

Anslo wrote:
I didn't say move them from the planet. You're right. IT's their home. I just said MOVE. As in move the somewhere ELSE on the planet. An outskirt, a small village, SOMEWHERE a dropship or atmo cargo ship could take em.


News flash: Moving them from one place to another on the same planet has absolutely zero relevance to a space conflict. It may offer some assistance to the ground battles now ensuing but that's about it. Also, a bulletin for your news flash, they still have to want to be moved otherwise you're just forcing them to move which really makes you no better than the people you're lambasting. However, what I'm doing offers security to the entire planet and is really about as much as I can do from aboard a spaceship, where my skills and aptitudes are actually worth something. I should also add that I also never mentioned moving them off of the planet.

Anslo wrote:
So get off your own gods damn high horse Malcom, it doesn't suit you at all. This isn't about your State or my Fed. Screw em both. It's about keeping people on that planet who want it safe. And I'm already working to make sure they get SOME safety on-world. So don't sit there and tell me I don't know anything about what people want while you make broad generalizations about every single person on that planet.


Uh-huh. Let's review what I said...hm....I don't recall mentioning my State or your Federation, I don't recall making broad judgments about your activities as you did mine nor do I recall speaking for "every single person on that planet" specifically when I used the operative word "some." Huh, looks like your aim is a bit off today, pilot. Please don't try again.

Get your finals words in if you must, I've nothing further to say to you.

~Malcolm Khross

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#18 - 2013-03-15 17:56:17 UTC
I beg that all participants on either side use the utmost of caution in pursuing their goals, else this end poorly.

I also gently point out to Msr. Soter that he considers our reclamation of the homeworld of our ancestors to be a prize. This belittlement of our goals and the sanctity of our homeworld is at the root of our disagreement, and injures your honest appeals to our compassion.

Caldari Prime is not a prize. Not for us, not for the people who live there now. It is a home.

I pray we all remember our manners as houseguests.
Anslo
Scope Works
#19 - 2013-03-15 17:59:58 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
News flash: Moving them from one place to another on the same planet has absolutely zero relevance to a space conflict. It may offer some assistance to the ground battles now ensuing but that's about it.

That's the point. It's better than making more debris fall on them by shooting more ships. If they can be moved to a bunker, a valley, or SOMETHING to protect them, then it's worth it instead of making MORE wreckage and burnt bodies fall into the atmosphere.

Quote:
Also, a bulletin for your news flash, they still have to want to be moved otherwise you're just forcing them to move which really makes you no better than the people you're lambasting. However, what I'm doing offers security to the entire planet and is really about as much as I can do from aboard a spaceship, where my skills and aptitudes are actually worth something. I should also add that I also never mentioned moving them off of the planet.

No, really? They have to want it? I never guessed. I like how you try to paint it that I'm forcing people off. I can't. If they wanna move, then I'll help. If they wanna stay, I ain't going to. If I forced it, I'd be no better than the Fed who forced your people off the planet in the first place. I'm trying to help people get outta harms way as best as I can, not abduct them.

You think your skills are good for shooting, then go right ahead. Like I said, blast each others brains out. I'm not.


Quote:
Uh-huh. Let's review what I said...hm....I don't recall mentioning my State or your Federation, I don't recall making broad judgments about your activities as you did mine nor do I recall speaking for "every single person on that planet" specifically when I used the operative word "some." Huh, looks like your aim is a bit off today, pilot. Please don't try again.

Get your finals words in if you must, I've nothing further to say to you.


My Fed and your State is just how I talk so don't be reading too much into it, like you do with every other thing I say. And you said, "I can't move people out of their homes if they don't want it." You didn't say some people, you just said people. I admit you didn't say every single person either, and I'm sorry if you thought I shoved words in your mouth and I'm sorry if I'm a bit edgy right now. But I hate thinking that with all this power and money and ships that the best we can do is rain hell down on more people.

So I'm not going to. I don't care if it takes days or weeks. If anyone wants moved from the fighting to a more stable area on the planet, or just wants off the planet, I'm helping them.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-03-15 18:02:59 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I beg that all participants on either side use the utmost of caution in pursuing their goals, else this end poorly.

I also gently point out to Msr. Soter that he considers our reclamation of the homeworld of our ancestors to be a prize. This belittlement of our goals and the sanctity of our homeworld is at the root of our disagreement, and injures your honest appeals to our compassion.

Caldari Prime is not a prize. Not for us, not for the people who live there now. It is a home.

I pray we all remember our manners as houseguests.


As always, you speak with wisdom and grace.

~Malcolm Khross

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