EVE General Discussion

Really sorry I hadn't seen this before...

I daresay you missed the point. The way things are should not discourage people. It's pixels people, not pain! If you get popped, you don't bleed. There should be no fear associated with going out and taking a chance - People whom are intimidated by watching their pixels turn colors and become non-interactive are playing the wrong bloody game.

If you're trying something and it doesn't work, try something different. Or do it in a different place. Or bring friends. Or...Adapt. I did, and I discovered that the big bad Nul is actually kinda boring unless you go looking for people. And you find them where? Gate camps are your most reliable source for finding folks to play with. I play 'keep away' with my hull, and maybe my pod, as the prize.

Found their problem.



Posting in a secrete nerf caps boost sub caps whine topic.



Wrong. Hi-sec PvP is about neutral remote reps and suspect flag ganks on popular undocks in huge systems. If yoru gate camping in hi-sec, you better be getting freighter kills or your doing it wrong...



Get out.



Your right. They are bad ideas.

Get over it, some people have more ships and a better plan than you.

There are loads of types of people in game, some like the fight to be "fair" and complain loudly when someone brings more ships than they did. Some prefer to play it in a militaristic fashion where the aim of the game is to tactically destroy the enemy while losing as few ships as possible.

When the two collide, one inevitaly starts winging that the other is using "cheap" tactics.

When you always have more ships and a better plan than the scrub coming through the gate, they will shout CHEAP TACTICS! and make a forum post. But in reality you are likely playing against people who just had a plan and some friends.

I prefer to play the Militaristic way, i am much happier if we outnumber the enemy 3 to 1 (This is never the case haha). I understand some people would like the game to be merely a series of instanced duels where numbers are controlled and you never have to fight a better ship or bigger gang than your own. But i personally would find that to be boring and would quit.

HARDEN UP MAN

Make a plan and realise if it fails to a hot drop or gatecamp, it was most likely just not a good enough plan. Don't feel the need to write a long forum post about how sh*t your plan was. Don't complain loudly about how you didnt bring enough ships, or any logistics, or any scouts, and have not yet learned to recognise a cyno alt when you see one.

In the real world people do not deliberately turn up to a fight with the same number of troops as the enemy. In reality you want to outnumber the enemy heavily because otherwise you might lose.

That IS the same tactic all of us would use in real life. Why does everyone think it should be "fair" just because it's in a game.

I came here, because someone lit a Covert Cyno in this thread. Left disappointed due to the lack of gank in this thread.

It's not because Eve traveling system is horrible that you have to find yet another horrible one, there are far more creative proposals popping every year than you or any one around including my self could put whatever words about this.

Easy/promoted graveyard camping is a horrible form of pvp leading to this mass concentration of players in high sec.
If those players were really risk averse they wouldn't play on TQ but on SISI, so there's an obvious error of coding.

Sez you.

Camping is great fun. Where else can I find people to taunt and abuse who will react with such fury? I've been chased across whole regions of sapce, trolololoing the whole way. I've watched people logging in and setting ambushes ahead of me as I thread their defences like a hot bit of sharpened piano wire.
'Tis fun!


Also - Risk adversityy comes in flavors and degrees. Frankly, I think the majority of folks in hiSec are there for one of three main reasons: That's where the markets and people are, ignorance, or sheer laziness. That last is also why you don't find the lazy ones on Sisi.

There's no such thing as a fair fight in any MMO, ever. Expecting to find fair fights, much less expecting that devs are going to somehow tweak mechanics to make thing more "fair" is going to culminate in a lousy gaming experience for you.

You just have to take for granted that if a solo WT enters your system, he has 5 friends on the other side of the gate just waiting to curb stomp you once you're tackled. Don't assume that people are AFK if they appear inactive or docked up. They're probably an alt, or at the very least, an off-grid booster.

Bottom line is, if you want to PvP in an MMO, be prepared to make lots of friends. You're going to need them.

Actually Joust was a game that involved riding an ostrich with flapping wings and you had to knock the rider off his chicken.

Atari > all.

But I digress.

I think you misunderstand me. I am saying the Eve PvP system works differently than other MMO's by design. Most people would consider the WoW arena system basically fair. That kind of system may have no place in Eve , but it is easy to see the difference between the 2 systems. In fact isn't that why most people claim to be playing eve in the first place?

Personally it looks to me as if you are focusing on the event and not the larger scope of conflict. A war is made up of battles. You will lose some battles because you were hot dropped or caught in a gate camp. But how you respond to that, using the tools at your disposal, might help you win the war overall.

Yes, war is a loose term as you may not be in one and you may not have an overall objective. But your survival should be one So - scout for gate camps. Plan. Check the starmap. Use the (trusted) communication channels. There are many ways to avoid a gate camp. Imagine scouting a system, seeing there is a 70% (Sucked number) of a gate camp there and then routing around it. You've just won that battle and made the campers wait for another victim. I'm guessing sitting idle in space must be fun for them.

Bigger picture, lass. Bigger picture.