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Help with salvage thiefs.
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Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#1 - 2011-10-29 08:26:20 UTC
It's been spoken about but I think many times. I did a search but couldn't get to what I wanted quicker enough plus it might be out of date.

How do I pay back the salvage thief?

I am currently doing a level 4 and would normally leave all the loot till the end and go back and clear in a quicker ship. It's Angel Extravaganza so the loot is quite good with the tags they drop as well.


Im fed up with these small, normally non corp ships that come in and steal my wreks. I know if I just shoot him he will die but then I have the local police on me but am I right in thinking if he is part of a gang this could be just bait for his buddies as well?

Please help me I am pulling out my hair here!
Insong Whang
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-29 09:20:37 UTC
Cryissa wrote:


How do I pay back the salvage thief?




Right click on character portrait, give money.

But seriously, there's no good way to pay 'em back, just ignore them and carry on.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2011-10-29 09:23:30 UTC
absolutely agree with Insong. Just completely ignore them. Don't shoot them, don't shoot your wrecks, don't warp out, don't convo or bleat in local. Just continue with your mission as if they weren't there.
Also don't take anything from any (yellow) jet-cans they drop. That will also invite them to shoot you without CONCORD intervening.


I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#4 - 2011-10-29 09:25:55 UTC
I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#5 - 2011-10-29 09:48:48 UTC
Ninja salvaging is a way for newer players to get a slice at some good start up money. Sometimes they are saving up for their own mission crushing battleship. A niche of pirates will do it for fun every so often. That's how it goes.

The answer is to ignore them, or send them a fleet invite and give them your wrecks out of good will.

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Siri Irme
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-29 10:25:03 UTC
Don't mission in a popular high sec hub.
xVx dreadnaught
modro
Northern Coalition.
#7 - 2011-10-29 10:43:07 UTC
Cryissa wrote:
I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.


A lot of the times the salvager doesn't care about individual marks that he is leeching off of.

It would be much smarter to bring along an alt, in a noctis, while you're moving into one room have the nocits moving in one pocket behind. hoover them all up as quickly as you can.

Chances are if a leeching salvager spots a noctis in the pocket they won't waist their time.
Carlos Aceveda
Border World Exports.
#8 - 2011-10-29 12:08:58 UTC
Basically the game mechanic is, that you down own wrecks per se. As dread says, get a second account and a noctis as your "counter". Some would say thats "pay to win" (13 extra bucks for another account each month).
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-29 13:28:02 UTC
Cryissa wrote:
It's been spoken about but I think many times. I did a search but couldn't get to what I wanted quicker enough plus it might be out of date.

How do I pay back the salvage thief?

I am currently doing a level 4 and would normally leave all the loot till the end and go back and clear in a quicker ship. It's Angel Extravaganza so the loot is quite good with the tags they drop as well.


Im fed up with these small, normally non corp ships that come in and steal my wreks. I know if I just shoot him he will die but then I have the local police on me but am I right in thinking if he is part of a gang this could be just bait for his buddies as well?

Please help me I am pulling out my hair here!


They're not there for your salvage or your crap loot, they're there ONLY to get your aggression and get your ship KM, nothing more nothing less.

You can also:

Let it come, engage discussion and encourage him to clean up your mess, thank him with 1isk reward

Let him feel at "home" and do the mistake of get too close to the next frigs/scrams/webs pop, kill the trigger, watch him die and have lol irl

Just ignore him, your LP's worth more than the crap loot or salvage he's stealing you, once he'll get tired of you ignoring him he'll just go away bother some one else.

Sure some are like dog shït on your shoes and can stay there for hours, it's their way of living but once they understand you don't give a **** about them they go away

You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#10 - 2011-10-29 14:32:23 UTC
Thanks for all your replies. Ive never shot one of these guys yet or fallen for the trick your all telling me about. I am not a bad person really if you want to help out I am open to people being nice and talking and asking. But your right I suppose most are out to upset me enough for me to shoot them. I was in a bad mood this morning so this didnt help. Im calm now Big smile
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-10-29 15:33:13 UTC
As the wrecks dont belong to you its not stealing the salvage is a free for all and its your problem if you dont get i in time.

On the other hand the cargo of the wreck dose belong to you and thus if they take it you are free to shoot them
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-10-29 15:36:58 UTC
You just need to understand THEY DON'T CARE OF YOUR CRAP, THEY WANT YOUR SHIP KM and feed epeen fake kb's with fake km's

Last time i checked a kill was a kill was a kill it must take a very narrow minded wannabe pvper (i wont call you a pirate you clearly aint) to think like this so as they dont play within your mind frame they are fakes

+1 eve parasite detected

Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#13 - 2011-10-29 17:12:03 UTC
The best option is to just leave them to have it and clear the mission and go to the next one. If it persists in your area then consider moving if you really want the salvage. It's not actually YOURS by right, otherwise they would be flagged to you. If they take the loot then you can shoot them but its not recommended since they often are hoping for this and will use cheap tricks like orca hotswaps to change into a ship to kill your mission running ship which will die horribly to a PVP fit.

At the end of the day it's not worth worrying about and the smart option is to finish the mission and move on. Alternatively, sometimes 'blueing' your nearby wrecks will show them you dont care and they might move on when they realise they cant goad you into shooting them.

On no accounts speak to them in local as even simply saying 'lol binman' or something will count as 'sweet tears' to these plebs.

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Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#14 - 2011-10-29 18:21:15 UTC
It's not theft, salvage isn't yours to begin with. Best way, bring a newbie from your corp along, split the salvage. Good cash for the newbie, and you do less bitching on the forums. Everyone is happy.
Kesshisan
#15 - 2011-10-29 18:50:54 UTC
Right click, abandon all nearby wrecks.

Right click, pilot, convo pilot.
"Hey, if I'll throw you bookmarks and abandon everything for you will you throw me a cut of the profits?"

Saves the pilot scanning people down, and makes you as close to free isk as it gets on EvE.


If he's only after your KM, he'll leave since he knows you're not going to aggress hm. If he's after your wrecks, he'd probably enjoy having someone throw him a bookmark for their missions.
Psychophantic
#16 - 2011-10-29 20:53:41 UTC
Cryissa wrote:
I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.


Because he's most likely a sociopath, only there to upset you. You think he's doing it for the millions of isk he's making from looting your leftovers?

By shooting your wrecks or trying to reason with him you're showing him that he's bothering you, leave it alone and he'll go back to pulling the wings off flies.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-29 21:11:48 UTC
Train alt account up through minmatar BS 4, large projectiles 4. Salvager warps in: warp in a size appropriate gank ship and pop him.

Dodixie is the only place I've been ninja-salvaged, not a problem since moving out of there.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
#18 - 2011-10-29 21:26:54 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
Cryissa wrote:
I shoot my wreck at times. Your saying don't? Why not? If I don't want them to have it and can't stop them I do shoot them sometimes. Well most of the time.


Because he's most likely a sociopath


While lack of empathy for the suffering of others is a single symptom of the Sociopath lack of empathy in EVE does not a Sociopath make. Causing suffering (annoyance, anger, rage) in EVE where you know exactly what the effect is of your actions (the destruction of their ship and any modules on the ship, perhaps their pod and implants) and the fact that they are part of the game does not make you apathetic to real human suffering. The problem is people who connect self-worth with in-game wealth and therefore connect their suffering with the destruction of in-game items. If it goes beyond anger and annoyance when you lose something in-game you are too attached to the game.

You may think that I shouldn't judge someone for getting attached to in-game items but it's the same other way around. Both enjoying the unhappiness of someone else and getting attached to in-game items are a sign of unhealthy behaviour, I'd prefer to take the unhealthy behaviour that is entertaining rather than the one that allows someone else to gain entertainment from me.
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#19 - 2011-10-29 21:30:23 UTC
I am a Salvager myself. For business, not for griefing.

First I want to correct you, that the only person, that could be labeled a salvage thief is someone stealing it from either your cargo hold, you hangar or maybe a jetcan with your name.

Second, if you do not want to train an alt for noctis use (which in no way hinders a proper salvager getting to the wracks you leave), you should hire a professional salvager (forgot the corp name, they are advertising here on this board somewhere). They will follow you in a noctis, get the loot and the salvage and pay you a good percentage. You make more money this way, as you can run more missions in the same time.

Finally, yes, their are those "Ninja"-Salvagers making a bad name for a whole occupation. If you ask me: Shoot them, let them come with their PvP Ship, shoot them again, laugh about their name and salvage their wrecks just for the lolz. Then go and create something useful as a nice flower from the frozen corpse.
Jak'rat
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-29 23:58:31 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

They're not there for your salvage or your crap loot, they're there ONLY to get your aggression and get your ship KM, nothing more nothing less.


Wrong. Plenty of us really are there for the good salvage (Angels or Sansha), for the good loot (Mercs or Generics), and for the sheer fun of ghosting around somebody who truly believes they are alone, and stealing from under their nose without them even realising we're there. And if they shoot me for it and I explode, hey that's the risk of getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

Want to avoid visitors? Do a little research, don't mission in idiot hubs, don't fly a ship with the sig radius of a small continent - do get an alt, or preferably a corpie or rookie to do the tidying up for you. And there's NOTHING funnier than getting the lion's share of goodies when up against a Noctis flown by a numpty :)

"That's not a ship, it's a flying shotgun..."
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